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posted by martyb on Tuesday November 12 2019, @09:40PM   Printer-friendly
from the the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The view among the national security officials was unanimous: Military aid to Ukraine should not be stopped. But the White House's acting chief of staff thought otherwise.

That was the testimony of Laura Cooper, a Defense Department official, whose deposition was released Monday in the House impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump.

"My sense is that all of the senior leaders of the US national security departments and agencies were all unified in their - in their view that this assistance was essential," she said. "And they were trying to find ways to engage the president on this."

Cooper's testimony was among several hundred pages of transcripts released Monday, along with those of State Department officials Catherine Croft and Christopher Anderson.

Cooper told investigators that, in a series of July meetings at the White House, she came to understand that Trump's acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, was holding up the military aid for the US ally.

[...] When she and others tried to get an explanation, they found none.

[...] She said it was "unusual" to have congressional funds suddenly halted that way, and aides raised concerns about the legality of it. The Pentagon was "concerned" about the hold-up of funds and "any signal that we would send to Ukraine about a wavering in our commitment", she said.

Cooper told investigators that she was visited in August by Kurt Volker, the US special envoy to Ukraine, who explained there was a "statement" that the Ukraine government could make to get the security money flowing.

[...] "Somehow, an effort that he was engaged in to see if there was a statement that the government of Ukraine would make," said Cooper, an assistant defence secretary, "that would somehow disavow any interference in US elections and would commit to the prosecution of any individuals involved in election interference."

For a handy reference to the documents that have been released concerning this, npr has posted Trump Impeachment Inquiry: A Guide To Key People, Facts And Documents:

Written words are central to the Ukraine affair. The significance of the whistleblower's original complaint and the White House's record of its call with Ukraine are debated, but the text is public. Here are the documents to refer to as the inquiry proceeds:

Texts and memos

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The whistleblower's complaint has largely been corroborated by witness testimony, public statements and media reports. See how the document checks out — with a detailed annotation of the text.

Testimony released by Congress following closed depositions


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @09:37AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @09:37AM (#919772)

    Presumably your grandparents did not immediately then setting about a micronation pushing for a blue-eyed, blond-haired super race? I don't really think people mind immigration at all. I used to think it was the lack of integration that's the problem, but that's also clearly not it. There are, for instance, Chinatowns are pretty much everywhere in major US regions and everybody's pretty cool with that. So what is it?

    I think the issue is when people come from these regressive countries and then try to impose their regressive values on other folks. Pretty much everywhere you see a large Muslim population you start to see pushes for things like Sharia law being enshrined in legal law. It also frequently comes with separatist movements once the population reaches a critical mass. Islam of course also tends to be associated with some pretty radical terrorism. For instance in the US only 1% of the population is Muslim, yet that's enough to generate a fairly substantial list of incidents. For instance this [wikipedia.org] is a limited list of terrorism incidents in the US since 2000. Hasan's and Muhammad's should, all other things being equal, make up 1/100 incidents. In practice, those names are pretty much everywhere.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:10PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:10PM (#919967)

    For instance this [wikipedia.org] is a limited list of terrorism incidents in the US since 2000. Hasan's and Muhammad's should, all other things being equal, make up 1/100 incidents. In practice, those names are pretty much everywhere.

    Did you actually bother to read the link you posted? While there are indeed some "Hasans" and "Muhammads" in there, your link doesn't quite support your claim that they are "pretty much everywhere".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 13 2019, @07:57PM (#919981)

      There are 87 incidents listed on that page since 2000. The expect Muslim incident rate, all other things being equal, would be a bit less than 1. They are dramatically over-represented. If we only consider the incidents where people actually die, they are even more dramatically over-represented.