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posted by janrinok on Tuesday November 19 2019, @09:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the art-of-the-deal dept.

Submitted via IRC for AndyTheAbsurd

The U.S. government is letting American businesses work with Chinese tech giant Huawei for an additional three months, in a third delay to a ban enacted in May for national security reasons.

It is the third time the U.S. has extended a reprieve, which is meant to help ease disruption for Huawei customers. Many Internet and cellphone carriers in rural parts of the U.S. buy networking equipment from Huawei, and the temporary extension means they can keep their networks up to date.

"The Temporary General License extension will allow carriers to continue to service customers in some of the most remote areas of the United States who would otherwise be left in the dark," said Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in a statement.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/18/780473704/u-s-firms-get-90-day-extension-to-work-with-huawei-on-rural-networks

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The TGL order, first posted in May of this year, had already been extended once back in August and, had it not been re-issued, would have expired at the end of the day on Monday.

According to Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross, the stay was necessary because a number of small, regional telcos still rely on Huawei kit for their day-to day-operations, making it necessary for some suppliers to continue to work with the Chinese company.

"The Temporary General License extension will allow carriers to continue to service customers in some of the most remote areas of the United States who would otherwise be left in the dark," Ross declared.

"The Department will continue to rigorously monitor sensitive technology exports to ensure that our innovations are not harnessed by those who would threaten our national security."

The new order will allow companies operating under the TGL to keep working with Huawei through February 16, 2020, or until the US and China can strike a trade deal to get the telecoms giant back in Uncle Sam's good graces.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday November 19 2019, @10:49PM (7 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday November 19 2019, @10:49PM (#922129) Journal

    Yes, and of course you have proof that Huawei is delivering such data and in the pocket of the Chinese government. Proof that all sorts of security companies and consultants are digging for because the one that could prove it would suddenly become extremely valuable to the prestige of the proving academic or business doing so. Proof that the NSA would leak to such an entity if they had it. I guarantee you it is not "too murky" for them, and they would have a vested interest in letting such facts come to light if they had them to give.

    Oh, wait, all we have is the assurance of the Trump administration that this is going on. Yep, there is sure a believable source. "Trust us, although we offer no proof."

    Maybe all those small regional telcos see through the government's bullshit and aren't extremely worried about quitting Huawei? Just speculating.

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  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 19 2019, @11:33PM (2 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Tuesday November 19 2019, @11:33PM (#922146) Journal

    From a somewhat different perspective:

    "There is no backdoor, because Huawei doesn’t need a backdoor. It has a front door," says James Lewis, a former State Department official and director of the Center for Strategic and International Studies' Technology and Public Policy Program. "The UK government has lots of problems with Chinese hacking. It’s not like there are Swedish hackers breaking in to steal British intellectual property every week. If Huawei was a Swedish company or a Brazilian company or something it wouldn’t be having these troubles. But it's seen as a tool of a very aggressive Chinese government."

    https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-threat-isnt-backdoors-its-bugs/ [wired.com]

    Actual concern or just more empty words?

    For its part, Huawei maintains that it is working to strengthen the security protections in its engineering workflow and says that it supports collaboration between industry and international regulators to ensure robust security in telecom networks around the world. "The 2019 HCSEC Oversight Board Report details some concerns about Huawei's software engineering capabilities," the company said in a statement on Thursday. "The issues identified ... provide vital input for the ongoing transformation of our software engineering capabilities." The company has pledged to invest $2 billion in engineering improvements.

    After years of promises, though, observers say it is difficult to believe that Huawei will prioritize making significant changes. Especially if the company sees benefits to being buggy-by-design.

    (Same source as above)

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    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday November 20 2019, @08:41PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Wednesday November 20 2019, @08:41PM (#922593) Journal

      Balderdash. (A word I get to seldom use). Back door, front door, side door, sunroof... Any such method would need a connection back to Huawei or allow the device to be compromised through the front door. Any such method would be detectable at some level by putting sniffers on other side of the suspect device and waiting for it to either start spewing excessive traffic outbound to places other than the destinations being requested on the inside and/or allow further intrusiveness inbound not asked for. There are entities which do such steps as a matter of their security procedures.

      As to bugs and exploitable layers. Yeah. Any device, anywhere, anytime. Huawei hasn't been proven to be especially vulnerable by anybody that I am aware of.

      Again, proof that the devices are compromised or easily compromisable, or it's just hot air put out by a government very desperate to not allow the tech deficit to narrow any further. As it inevitably will.

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    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday November 20 2019, @08:42PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Wednesday November 20 2019, @08:42PM (#922594) Journal

      Should have said a connection to Huawei or some other unnamed entity (which would be the same as any other penetration attempt).

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  • (Score: 4, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 20 2019, @12:00AM

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 20 2019, @12:00AM (#922159)

    It looks like nobody really believes the US government on this, even the 5 eyes countries.

    The UK has deferred a decision on whether Huawei will get any of the 5G contract until after the election, but that will be so they don't have the embarrassment of the president of their closest ally throwing a wobbly just before their election.

    The Germans meanwhile have announced their 5G setup "will not exclude" Huawei.

    The 5 Eyes country I live in is going to use Huawei for at least some of the 5G stuff out Telecoms companies are putting together.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by legont on Wednesday November 20 2019, @04:33AM (2 children)

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday November 20 2019, @04:33AM (#922263)

    It's rather obvious to me that Huawei does not do anything bad to our data simply because they would be stupid to do so and they are obviously not. They are way better for my American privacy given that the US backdoored everything in sight since at least the WWII.
    The issue here is different. China is doing to the US exactly what the US have done to England around the independence. China is likely to succeed. The US leaders know it - everybody knows it. Left alone China will rule the world in a decade or two and will do so for a millennia or two.
    The questions are very straight forward. Are we cool, with it? If not, what can we do?
    I am an old guy and the only thing I care about is my social security and medicare for the next 20 or 30 years. Given that, kicking the can down the road - slowing China as much as possible but not going into the real hot war - is the best for me. Therefore I vote Trump.
    Now, if youngsters want to try themselves at fighting, they could, I guess. In this case get yourself some "progressive" liberal Roosevelt type.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 20 2019, @09:31AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 20 2019, @09:31AM (#922306)

      Given that, kicking the can down the road - slowing China as much as possible but not going into the real hot war - is the best for me. Therefore I vote Trump.

      Congratulations on wrecking the western world then.

      By failing at stomping on China all Trump does is make China more determined to stomp back, in its own way. Thank God we at least have the impotent EU, otherwise there would be no one to actually influence the world anymore. All talk, but no trousers and yes-man. That's Trump.

    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday November 20 2019, @09:00PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Wednesday November 20 2019, @09:00PM (#922602) Journal

      True, tides are turning. As they always have and always will.

      What we can do, and are doing, is lying through our teeth about our motivations. Such actions never end well. Well, they never end, and that's the problem. We will reap what is sown. And our standing may also depend upon the support of the rest of the world. That will depend on both our honesty and being wiling to lay out the course that is ahead and requiring our allies to take a stand to stand together. Allies that Trump is remarkably good at pissing off.

      I'd also differ that voting for Trump will keep us out of a hot war. Trump has proven to be so manipulable that all it is going to take is a faction that does want war and can manipulate him into delivering it for the Good of the Nation. Someone who will overcome his aversion to body bags, probably by killing Americans abroad and thus require a response in defending them that turns into a hot shooting match. But whatever method is selected it just depends on someone who can flatter Trump believably and play him like a harp as has been demonstrated already.

      All of that aside there is no turning back from globalization at this point. The "America First!" mandate destabilizes that, and again there are no happy endings from isolationism. Diplomacy begins with recognizing where mutual benefit will bring about growth and not unilateral declarations of the way things shall be. Witness the trade war for that, which is already a failure no matter what concessions we might manage to get. (Which is still nothing so far [reuters.com] despite his "Phase One" announcement.)

      All in all that leads me to hoping that America will wake up and elect a President who actually knows something about foreign policy.

      Yes, I would like to be able to retire as well, eventually, though I have no faith or confidence that will occur. And delaying actions are fine - a lot of management is in maintaining things (as opposed to winning things), again a lesson Trump does not understand. But for such actions to be successful the truth is a much more powerful weapon. And we have a President that cannot do that.

      Meh, I hope you are right and I am wrong.

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