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Musk Says There Are 146,000 Cybertruck Orders Just Two Days After Reveal
Tesla Inc. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said Saturday the company has amassed 146,000 orders for its Cybertruck, less than 48 hours after the polarizing vehicle was first shown amid shattered glass.
[...] Tesla's website allows customers to order the electric truck for a fully refundable $100, and says they can complete their configuration "as production nears in late 2021." Musk said in a tweet that 42% had ordered the dual-motor option, which starts at $49,900, while 41% have ordered the $69,900 triple-motor option, production of which is expected to begin in late 2022. Just 17% ordered the single-motor version, which begins at $39,900.
146k Cybertruck orders so far, with 42% choosing dual, 41% tri & 17% single motor
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 23, 2019
The $100 deposit for the Cybertruck is far cheaper than the $1,000 that was required to reserve a Model 3 sedan. Tesla's reservation lists have long been a source of intrigue for investors, analysts, journalists, fans and skeptics of the company, as it's often used as a proxy for demand. But Tesla itself stopped giving reservation figures on its quarterly earnings calls, saying the metric wasn't relevant.
Previously: Tesla Unveils "Cybertruck"
(Score: 5, Informative) by Immerman on Sunday November 24 2019, @11:29PM (9 children)
There are indeed questions still to be answered - but many of yours were already answered in the unveil
Here's a few:
3,500lb payload capacity for all models, as compared to the 2,000-3,300 capacity of the various F-150 models. Enough to haul the yard of gravel that would crush a lower-end F-150
Bed configuration: 5'9" wide x 6.6" long, with no wheel-well intrusions. From the photos it looks like it does have tie-downs. A toolbox is likely to run into problems with the elevated sides, but it looks like there's a cargo chamber under the back half(?) of the bed, as well as more storage in the bed walls, and of course that lockable "roll-top desk" bed cover strong enough to stand on is going to make it easy to secure the entire bed contents. And of course there's also the "frunk" storage chamber at the front.
6 seats in two rows, and it sounds like the back seats are comfortable even for tall people.
Visibility may be an issue, though cameras help.
https://www.slashgear.com/tesla-cybertruck-specs-elon-musks-pickup-by-the-numbers-22601156/ [slashgear.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 24 2019, @11:54PM (3 children)
As mentioned elsewhere: haulage of 3500 isn't bad in the low end (but then why the limit on towing? It can't possibly be tongue weight, what's going on there?) and it's comparable with the 2500 range of things although there are still some unanswered questions around the suspension.
Bed configuration: good on the wheel wells, good on the width, but the length is a problem and the sloping sides are a problem.
The seating needs clarification.
Visibility looks terrible, and anything that relies upon sensors apt to get covered is bad. Hope they catch a clue before the final design comes out.
If we're lucky, this was just a concept and they'll make it more suitable for the real world before it hits the street, and Detroit will shit themselves trying to get back in front.
If we're unlucky, what we've seen is all we get.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Immerman on Monday November 25 2019, @06:37AM (2 children)
At the low end? Keep in mind we're talking a truck targeting roughly the same market segment as the Ford F-150 and its contemporaries. You can't buy an F-150 capable of hauling that payload. And 14,000lbs is a pretty impressive towing capacity as well - exceeding all but the most powerful of the F150 configurations
I'm inclined to agree about the short bed - though it's only really critical to people who need to haul long loads that can't be securely tied in place... or are driving somewhere that doesn't allow you to drive with the tailgate down I suppose. Given the popularity of trucks "toolboxes" though, an awful lot of people don't actually need that full length bed.
The sloped sides do seem like they would be inconvenient, but between the "frunk", the many "hidden" cargo compartments around the bed, the built-in ramp, and "load mode", I'm not sure just how big a problem it would be in practice. You'd have to use it a bit differently than a normal truck, but it might not necessarily be worse. And I suspect that one's not going away - without an internal frame for rigidity you really need that "A" in the exoskeleton to provide strength
As for sensors apt to get covered - you think that's really a substantially bigger problem than mirrors getting covered?
As for the seats - what clarification do you need? Go take a look at a few of the many pictures and videos of several people riding in it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 25 2019, @04:38PM (1 child)
A truck targeting the same segment as the F150 sounds plausible - up until the point where the entry level model starts at $40K. For a two wheel drive model. Ford, Ram and Chevy would like to talk to you about their three quarter ton options with that feature set, in that price range. If you really do have a high end (in power train terms) F150, then you can install an air ride kit for under $1K and actually carry more than mister cybertruck, so as an aftermarket option, the F150, Ram 1500 and various GM options can stretch beyond this thing in haulage. If towing were their big mission, why isn't it a dually?
The short bed is a deal killer for anyone carrying diffuse loads. If all you're ever carrying is a washer and dryer, or a pallet of something, rock on. The moment you want to load up on ... oh, I don't know, hay (like basically every farmer in the country) it's an absolutely terrible bed configuration. The sloped sides are part of this problem because you can't stably put things down that rest on them. If all you're doing is slapping in a few bags for your family trip to the airport, who cares? If you're doing real work the way real trucks get used, it's a royal pain.
Sensors getting covered: yes, it's a major concern if the truck is driven anywhere muddy. Mirrors are generally high enough that they'll catch a little splash of mud or something, but that's a quick cleanup. If your sensors are placed to compensate for that fold in the design that inhibits the driver's view directly around the truck, they're directly in mud range.
As for the seats - a simple number on head room would do fine. You know, that thing that hasn't been provided.
You know what? I'm being lazy. Let me crack open my google-fu and see what I can do... Chevy's work truck trim, two wheel drive, crew cab, long bed 2500HD Silverado comes in around $40K (MSRP, which is strictly an imaginary number), and will carry more, with a better bed configuration.
Yee-up. He's competing with the 2500 range on price, and the 1500 range on features. This is not my impressed face.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:29AM
Well, if Musk can prove that it drives without catching fire its already better than anything Fiat can produce.
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(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Monday November 25 2019, @01:57PM (4 children)
The F150 is a toy truck which is why people buy them - to drive around, no to beat the piss out of.
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(Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday November 25 2019, @02:53PM (3 children)
A toy truck? I find that hard to accept. It certainly seems to be at the low end of full-size pickups, but there's a whole world of much smaller pickups out there as well. Trucks that get put to work and even have the (much smaller quantity of) piss beaten out of them.
In fact, the size of the thing is one of the big points against it for me - I'm not really a truck person, but am tempted by the cargo capacity (volume) and flexibility of an open bed - there's a severe limit on the size of things that can be hauled in a sedan or station wagon. I'd mostly be one of those "drive around" truck owners though - which makes a full-size pickup completely impractical for my needs.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Monday November 25 2019, @11:47PM (2 children)
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(Score: 1) by Sulla on Tuesday November 26 2019, @06:35AM (1 child)
Not sure where you get your data but I know people who plow for a living with F150s and have never had any issues. The frame in the 2015+ f150s is 4x4 steel. When I worked at a car lot in Alaska i plowed all winter using a late 90s f150 without any issues.
If i am delivering appliances, i would choose the f150 for fuel rating over the 250/350. A fully loaded 8ft bed with appliances wont exceed my max. If delivering gravel i would take a hit on gas and take the 250 for the extra half yard i can haul, or go with a 150 and a trailer and keep the good gas mileage and do two yards.
Every truck has its niche in industry. Oil industry up in deadhorse uses propane f150s for extended range and the ability to handle trailers well and the occasional full bed depending on need.
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(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday November 27 2019, @03:59AM
You don't see 1/4 ton trucks like the F150 used for plowing. It's mostly heavy trucks, heavy equipment (think cat 950 and 966 loafers) 18-wheel dump trucks, 5-ton trucks with a cement weight and a front plow, and backhoes. Contractors who do only private homes use cheaper farm tractors with a loader and a pto-powered blower. Some clowns continued to try to use 1/4-ton trucks - they make the news when they can't do the job and go bankrupt, leaving hundreds of homeowners scrambling to get a properly equipped contractor mid-season.
At -30 ice is hard as rock. You can't get away with using a shitty "Western"-brand snow plow. Not enough weight in the blade, shitty light gauge metal plow and mounts, Walmart tried selling them, the returns (for selling a product not fit for it's intended use) was a disaster. Sure the specialty manufacturers here sell blades that go up to the 5 figures, but you can hit a car buried in a drift and no damage. The shitty plows would crumple and severely damage your truck. Even the cheaper Fisher plows let you ram cars out of the way with confidence that you won't have more than a scratch on the blade.
The front end of an F150 would require too much reinforcing - better to buy a half-ton or 3/4 ton (F250-350) or a real commercial truck, one you can use as a dump truck in the summer. F150 trucks are consumer products.
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