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posted by Fnord666 on Monday November 25 2019, @01:16PM   Printer-friendly
from the a-step-in-the-right-direction dept.

Google bans microtargeting and "false claims" in political ads

The country's largest digital advertising platform is trying to take a stand heading into the 2020 election this week, as it both limits the targeting of political ads and warns would-be political advertisers about making false claims.

On Wednesday, Google made an announcement "clarifying" its advertising policy for political ads, making it clear that outright lies are theoretically not welcome. "Whether you're running for office or selling office furniture, we apply the same ads policies to everyone; there are no carve-outs," the company said, adding:

It's against our policies for any advertiser to make a false claim—whether it's a claim about the price of a chair or a claim that you can vote by text message, that election day is postponed, or that a candidate has died.

To make this more explicit, we're clarifying our ads policies and adding examples to show how our policies prohibit things like "deep fakes" (doctored and manipulated media), misleading claims about the census process, and ads or destinations making demonstrably false claims that could significantly undermine participation or trust in an electoral or democratic process.

That said, the company adds, they can't judge "every political claim, counterclaim, and insinuation," so they expect the number of ads they block to be low.

Those ads will also have to be aimed at a comparatively broad segment of the population, Google said, to the dismay of campaigns on both the left and the right. While the company will allow political ads to be targeted to users based on age, gender, and postal code, it will not allow more narrow "microtargeting" to highly segmented, granular audiences such as those based on public voter records or political affiliation.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 25 2019, @04:03PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 25 2019, @04:03PM (#924554)

    google is largely an israeli enterprise now

    What the fuck does that mean? Should we throw the whole company in gas chambers now?

    I appreciate the linked meme and I really do wish more anti-semites like yourself would realize that Trump and his network is the literal poster child of your globalist conspiracy theory.

    But let's make one thing clear: blaming Israel for globalism is just another distraction. Anti-semitism focuses your anger on the wrong people.

    (and for the rare compassionate person that may stumble upon this comment, I absolutely care about how much it hurts innocent people - I just don't think my audience cares)

    There are rich and powerful jews who are part of the problem. What part of them do you honestly think makes them part of the problem? The rich and powerful part, or the jewish part? Because I've got news for you: there are poor jews too, and they bleed just like you and I.

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    To add onto your meme, specifically "the marxist feminazi hippy communist flower children snowflake antisemitic bleeding heart liberal white supremacist immigrant black identity extremist domestic terrorist gun nuts etc": it's really far too simple to reduce all of these groups to one cause. Oversimplifying reality is exactly the problem. The giant run-on is intended to show the variety of -isms one is encouraged to hate for basically the same reason. But each of these -isms has identified a different problem with society and is going about making things better in often completely contradictory ways. This ContraPoints video about Jordan Peterson [youtube.com] illustrates how the more academic-minded ideas that appear to be in a phalanx supporting social progressivism are actually at odds with each other in some pretty serious, fundamental ways (sincere apologies for the extreme weirdness toward the end of the video, though who knows, maybe you're into that sort of thing).

    The differences are important because every revolution results in a new ideology becoming supreme. Can you honestly say that everything in that giant run-on is actually an improvement on the current system, corrupt though it is? How do you plan on working with the -isms you disagree with?

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    One final P.S.: The thing with Google is not a change in the game. It's just a marketing move against Facebook. I guess it makes sense to score some political points related to Google here, even though the political points have nothing to do with the actual news.

    It is also, I think, an honest attempt to avoid making things that much worse in a specific way would happen to hurt Google as much as it hurts us. Google taking a stand against fake news is still a good thing, even if their new policy on microtargeting just serves to illustrate how fucked up microtargeting is to begin with, and that Google shouldn't help anybody do it. But hey, they're only an American corporation. They think that as long as the oligarchs don't face public elections they're on the side of good.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 25 2019, @06:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 25 2019, @06:37PM (#924592)

    So JMH is actually one of the operatives he rails on about. Probably a recruitment officer running a false flag operation hence sliding in all the anti-semitic stuff.

    Seriously, there are wealthy Jews buying power and influence, but there are wealthy saudis/chinese/us/euros doing the same stuff. Just ridiculous anyone would be pushing that racist dipshittery.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Username on Monday November 25 2019, @09:37PM (3 children)

    by Username (4557) on Monday November 25 2019, @09:37PM (#924647)

    It means he thinks it's heavily influence, if not controlled, by a foreign government.

    What's with going straight to nazi shit? If he replaced Israel with Russia would you be calling him an anti-slavist?

    If were going to go with what is wrong with Israel, I'd go with the majority of the people living inside their borders are muslim, yet this majority is not recognized as citizens and have no representation in Israeli government. That just doesn't sit right with me.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by meustrus on Monday November 25 2019, @10:11PM (2 children)

      by meustrus (4961) on Monday November 25 2019, @10:11PM (#924665)

      In the OP, Israel is in the boogeyman position. It would make sense from an American perspective to decry that Google is largely a Russian operation, because Russia is our primary adversary on the world stage.

      Israel, however, is an American ally. Putting them in the boogeyman position asserts that they are bad, whereas putting Russia there would lean on the mostly-accepted assumption that Russia is bad.

      And why is Israel bad? The question wasn't even acknowledged in the OP. We can speculate what JMH thinks is wrong with Israel and what that has to do with Google being evil by association. Frankly, the treatment of the Palestinians has nothing to do with Google.

      Think about it. Yes, most Muslims subject to Google have no representation in Google. Most Jews don't either. Most Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and atheists have no representation either. Really, none of us have representation in Google because they are a corporation. We have about as much representation in Google as anybody does in North Korea. And I sincerely hope you are not about to claim that Israel is somehow worse than North Korea.

      To summarize, there is literally no reason presented to support the implicit assertion that Israel is bad. If JMH called Google a French operation, I'd be shrugging my shoulders trying to figure out what that could possibly mean. But since it's Israel, my bet is he meant they're bad because they're Jews.

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      • (Score: 2) by Username on Tuesday November 26 2019, @12:47PM (1 child)

        by Username (4557) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @12:47PM (#924887)

        How is Israel an ally? Because they buy our bombs? What have they ever done for America? They are tiny country the size of Chicago. They exist entirely by the good grace of the United States. They will try to influence the US to keep it this way by any means necessary. It makes total sense for them to try and skew what american's think. I have yet to see a discussion on what Israel is doing to the indigenous Palestinians where it isn't deflected or called antisemitic. France on the other hand is a huge country, and if it wasn't for them America wouldnt exist. Even so, I wouldn't want google controlled by the french either. To be honest I dont want google to even be controlled by google. I think it's time to split up that monopoly, too many americans reply on them for information and news to be even be slightly swayed by a foreign government.

        • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:37AM

          by meustrus (4961) on Wednesday November 27 2019, @12:37AM (#925177)

          How is Israel an ally?

          Because that's what the American government considers them to be. I'm not an expert on the specifics. I also didn't call them a friend, I called them an ally. That's primarily a military relationship, and it's expected for allies to influence each other to remain allies.

          I have yet to see a discussion on what Israel is doing to the indigenous Palestinians where it isn't deflected or called antisemitic.

          That's fair, and I share your concern for the Palestinians. Considering the historical precedent of anti-semitism and violence still being perpetrated against innocent Jews based on similar rhetoric, however, it's reasonable for any criticism of Israel to be subjected to intense scrutiny. 99% of the time, pro-Palestinian rhetoric in the US intersects with anti-semitic rhetoric. It's impossible to say whether that is intentional, but regardless, it's dangerous because anti-semitic rhetoric inspires murder of innocent, law-abiding, relatively powerless Jews. Even when the rhetoric is primarily targeting the elites of the state of Israel.

          To be honest I dont want google to even be controlled by google.

          Then why place the blame on some foreign power for Google being evil? That's what JMH did, and that's what you're defending right now. I don't want Google to be controlled by Google either. Blaming Israel also implies that Google would not be evil if it weren't for its foreign influencers.

          And that's what this is really about. The Nazi Party shifted all blame for Germany's failing economy onto Jews and other people they classified as foreign or otherwise undesirable. Fascists attach evil to unchangeable identity groups because it distracts people from making real change.

          In order to really fix the problems with society, including Google and other groups with huge and unaccountable authority, we need to turn away from rhetoric that blames these problems on unchangeable identity groups. Otherwise, the number of people classified as undesirable will continue to grow until only the powerful, like Google, remain.

          First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
                    Because I was not a socialist.

          Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
                    Because I was not a trade unionist.

          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
                    Because I was not a Jew.

          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

          -- Martin Niemöller, as quoted at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

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  • (Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday November 26 2019, @04:33PM

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday November 26 2019, @04:33PM (#924972) Journal

    I kindof appreciate the response but this is some disorganized thinking.

    The word 'zionism', the thing I state repeatedly is what I am against, is missing completely. Hard to find you a serious thinker if you missed this completely in your analysis.

    How can I be an antisemite if I support Bernie Sander, for like 20 years? I link to multiple antizionist jewish and palestinian organizations run by semites, I am not the nazi you are looking for.

    You also completely miss the point about the list of 'CNN 2 minute fear and hate' focuses on all the time. Those aren't isms, feminazi and gun nut are not fleshed out concepts that anyone actually adheres to, they mean different things to different people and intentionally so.

    So you completely miss the point of the meme, willfully refuse to see the sides I am talking about. The zionist-cult part of some jewish people is what epstein and weinstein represent, and an entire elite media establishment ignores epstein for 20 years and then runs pro-jewish cultural propaganda the day after he escapes from prison.

    So your incoherent resposne is unhelpful and adds little to the discussion, you should probably be quiet.

    Here, I made these exactly to explain the world to people like you.
    https://archive.is/PQS1t [archive.is]
    https://archive.is/IZsOB [archive.is]

    I know I will be called an anti-semite, but that started the first time I said that the israeli army was murdering people, maybe 15 years ago. At that time, I didn't realize that there was a global blacklist for saying things israel does not like, but I take that risk for justice. If someone like Lily Singh was able to recognize a protestor getting shot in the face was not an accident, she would not have a show on NBC and people would call her a nazi too.

    The glaring ignorance and lack of self-awareness of these pro-zionism responses is truly astounding, you should look at yourselves in the mirror some time. You are really offensive, rude, morally blind, people. The 2 that seemed friendly like yours are extremely manipulative. You throw slurs around and call other people the racists, confuse the entire discussion, I have encountered no one on the internet as awful and yet you so desparately want people to like you, act like you own the place.

    I am allowed not to like jewish people, just like I am allowed not to like anyone. I don't like tons of groups of people. But I tolerate them. But I cannot say jewish people or judaism is in tolerant anymore. It is not because of anything physical about you. I don't like genital mutilation across the board, but jewish people want to be the exception. Jewish people want to be the exception to everything, actually, and I am sick of it. And meanwhile some jewish people like you go out and actively provoke everyone with idiotic responses and then say 'look the anti-semite!' if a person mispeaks or makes an error.

    It is really sick behavior, and it is actually the same things the actual Nazis did, you are marking every 'enemy' of isareli expansionism just with invisible gold stars in internet algorithms and secret agency filings. My feelings for judaism is about the same as it is for Scientology at this point(except scientology doesn't own mass media causing all the problems), so don't feel special. I can't stand and despise tons of belief systems, satanism, eat pray love, the secret, I can barely stand the pope, heck the list goes on.

    But I know you are just here because you want no discussion, a standard habit of aggressors who are trying to impose things on others.

    I am the one being harassed and followed in the street, that makes me the victim, not you or any jewish people in my neighborhood. I don't have a gang of people who goes around to harass my ideological opponents, or go to other people's comments and do psyop bullshit, and play the victim the whole time. Which is just more nazi tactics jewish people are gladly making use of while they continue to repeat never again, referring only to themselves while the uigurs are exterminated before your eyes.

    ttps://archive.is/8iqjM
    https://archive.is/Eu1Z4 [archive.is]
    https://archive.is/gMEH6 [archive.is] - you