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posted by martyb on Tuesday December 10 2019, @02:06PM   Printer-friendly

Debian Developers Take To Voting Over Init System Diversity

It's been five years already since the vote to transition to systemd in Debian over Upstart while now there is the new vote that has just commenced for judging the interest in "init system diversity" and just how much Debian developers care (or not) in supporting alternatives to systemd.

Due to Debian developers having differing opinions on handling non-systemd bugs in 2019 and the interest/commitment to supporting systemd alternatives in the scope of Debian packaging and various related friction points, they've taken to a new general resolution over weighing init system diversity.

The ballot is available on-line. The choices are:

Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
Choice 2: B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
Choice 3: A: Support for multiple init systems is Important
Choice 4: D: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
Choice 5: H: Support portability, without blocking progress
Choice 6: E: Support for multiple init systems is Required
Choice 7: G: Support portability and multiple implementations
Choice 8: Further Discussion

[Ed. note: I'm not sure what the letters after the choice numbers indicate, nor do I know where "C" disappeared to.]


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @07:31PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @07:31PM (#930719)

    The number of characters typed at the console (or even their repetitiveness) is not a measure of how complex that thing is. No matter how "easy" the the command line, the fact that you have to remember to do this is beyond fucked up.

    Systemd is a horriffic cancer, the long term goal is the destruction of the role of sysadmin, and we know now why Poettering has been smirking for a decade.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @08:00PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @08:00PM (#930740)

    The number of characters typed at the console (or even their repetitiveness) is not a measure of how complex that thing is. No matter how "easy" the the command line, the fact that you have to remember to do this is beyond fucked up.

    Systemd is a horriffic cancer, the long term goal is the destruction of the role of sysadmin, and we know now why Poettering has been smirking for a decade.

    Actually, including it in my kickstart postinstall script means I don't have to remember.

    I'm no huge fan of systemd either. That said, if there's an issue, it's better to know how to address it, rather than remaining ignorant.

    You appear to wear yours as a badge of honor. Good show!

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @03:09AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @03:09AM (#930935)

      I'm no huge fan of systemd either.

      Clearly.

      if there's an issue, it's better to know how to address it, rather than remaining ignorant.

      You address the issue by blacklisting faulty software from running on your machines. Expecting a hack not supported by upstream "wontfix" developer to stay viable with updates is ignorance. Funny how you seem proud of it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:40PM (#931194)

        >quote>Expecting a hack not supported by upstream "wontfix" developer to stay viable with updates is ignorance./quote.

        What, exactly is the "unsupported hack" here? enabling/starting/stopping/disabling/masking services is core functionality in *any* init system.

        As such, is there a specific "bug" you're talking about or is it just flatulence?