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Debian Developers Take To Voting Over Init System Diversity
It's been five years already since the vote to transition to systemd in Debian over Upstart while now there is the new vote that has just commenced for judging the interest in "init system diversity" and just how much Debian developers care (or not) in supporting alternatives to systemd.
Due to Debian developers having differing opinions on handling non-systemd bugs in 2019 and the interest/commitment to supporting systemd alternatives in the scope of Debian packaging and various related friction points, they've taken to a new general resolution over weighing init system diversity.
The ballot is available on-line. The choices are:
Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
Choice 2: B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
Choice 3: A: Support for multiple init systems is Important
Choice 4: D: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
Choice 5: H: Support portability, without blocking progress
Choice 6: E: Support for multiple init systems is Required
Choice 7: G: Support portability and multiple implementations
Choice 8: Further Discussion
[Ed. note: I'm not sure what the letters after the choice numbers indicate, nor do I know where "C" disappeared to.]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday December 10 2019, @09:31PM (7 children)
In general, assuming $MY_SIDE is always true and righteous and everything bad is the responsibility of $THEIR_SIDE is the path to evil actions. Both you and GP are wrong: Authoritarianism has both right-wing and left-wing versions, and there is no shortage of willing concentration camp guards in either camp.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:07AM (6 children)
This is true but one party is always more determined to fuck things up for everyone than the other. When I was growing up, it was the Reps and their trying to legislate morality. Today, it's the Dems and their... Why, exactly the same thing!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday December 11 2019, @01:33AM (5 children)
All legislation I can think of right now has a moral dimension. It's just a question of who benefits and who suffers from each piece of legislation and to what degree. If a politician misrepresents or hides that moral dimension, it could mean the legislation may be considered immoral by a lot of voters.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 11 2019, @02:29AM (4 children)
Having a moral dimension ain't quite the same as full on legislating morality though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday December 11 2019, @11:28AM (3 children)
I think it might be an artificial distinction. I think it just becomes "legislating morality" when the morals happen to be different from your own. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt pay these taxes to fund public services. I'd argue actually those are both legislating morality, but I bet the second one gets your hackles up a lot more than the first.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:13PM (2 children)
Well of course it's an artificial distinction. Morality is an artificial abstraction invented by people. What I'm speaking of though are the fun things like Thou shalt not buy beer on Sunday or Thou shalt not say mean things to $protected_group. Full on, no questions, entirely morality issues.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:33PM (1 child)
Yeah I got that you meant those kinds of things. I just found it intellectually stimulating to pick at the foundations a bit. :)
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:36PM
Ha! Fair nuff. It wouldn't be the Internet without enthusiastic yet pedantic arguments.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.