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on Tuesday December 10 2019, @04:00PM
from the There-Is-No-Such-Thing-As-Climate-Change dept.
from the There-Is-No-Such-Thing-As-Climate-Change dept.
Australia is on fire. Again. Happens every year around this time, but this year is worse. A lot worse, with smoke and haze covering large parts of the eastern seaboard. The effect of the fires can be felt in New Zealand where the smoke is causing blood red sunsets. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Australia has briefly offered a prayer in support. The deadly fires have killed hundreds of drop bears while scourging the countryside across several states.
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(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday December 10 2019, @07:57PM (24 children)
Can you explain how the sun causes fire in New South Wales?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @08:24PM (23 children)
Yes. Can you think of anything? Your question suggest you think it is a ridiculous prospect for some reason.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday December 10 2019, @08:51PM (22 children)
I do think it is ridiculous, and will continue to think that, unless you can supply a compelling argument to the contrary.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @09:08PM (21 children)
It is well known that solar cycle correlates with precipitation on Earth. Here is a paper from the 1970s: https://www.nature.com/articles/251594a0 [nature.com]
Here is NASA talking about it: https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/rind_03/ [nasa.gov]
The usual explanation is a less active sun means more cosmic rats which means more ionization of the atmosphere. That effects redistribution of precipitation over the Earths surface: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2016JA022689 [wiley.com]
(Score: 5, Funny) by FatPhil on Tuesday December 10 2019, @09:46PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday December 10 2019, @09:52PM (6 children)
I have looked through your links, and apart from the first one, which I cannot read without a subscription, the answer is "not really".
I also did a couple of web searches on the subject myself, and did find several sites that told me about how the coming grand solar minimum was going to cause earthquakes, so there is that I suppose.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @10:09PM (5 children)
So you have no problem with what it says in the links, or a problem with the sources, but do not understand how forest fires are connected to the solar cycle (which they obviously are). Westworld: "It does look like anything at all to me".
You brainwashed bro.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @10:12PM
This is how artificial selection works I guess. If you think 90% of humans need to die to save the planet but don't care much which ones, may as well cast out your brainwashing net and make it the willfully ignorant.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday December 10 2019, @11:11PM (3 children)
No. I read the links, and took note of bits like this:
and this:
Among others.
So I'm still not seeing where forest fires are connected to the solar cycle (because they're obviously not).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:41AM (2 children)
Why are you quoting something about temperature record when we are talking about bushfires (ie, precipitation)? And yes, UV-driven photochemistry is not thought to be the mechanism... it is ionization due to cosmic rays.
Your response is total nonsense.
(Score: 3, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:57AM (1 child)
Quoted from your links.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @01:47AM
Yes, why are you quoting irrelevant stuff from the links instead of the stuff related to precipitation and the mechanism via which it is supposed to work?
I mean this is nuts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 10 2019, @10:51PM
More papers:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273117716304835 [sciencedirect.com]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969708000867 [sciencedirect.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday December 10 2019, @10:53PM (11 children)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday December 10 2019, @11:14PM
I don't think the A/C can explain any of it, other than trying to link two things that probably have not much to do with each other.
If you search the Internet for this stuff you can wind up in the Electric Universe if you're not careful.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:01AM (5 children)
At the very best, one may argue more rain during winter create more fuel for the summer bushfires and be right in most of the cases.
A pity it didn't happen in this case, with Queensland [qld.gov.au] and NSW [nsw.gov.au] under intense and prolonged drought conditions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:43AM (3 children)
Yes, there are obviously more/worse droughts during the solar minimums in Australia.
Seriously... I don't know why I keep returning to this site.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday December 11 2019, @01:00AM (2 children)
No there aren't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @01:50AM (1 child)
Yes there are, that why there is always an exceptionally bad bushfire during the solar minimum (as seen in the links above).
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday December 11 2019, @07:38PM
As your links show. You do realise there are people who point to the solar minimums causing volcanic eruptions?
They're using the same umbers you are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @01:21AM
Here's some satellite comparisons, and you can see the current smoke from space:
https://www.weatherwatch.net.au/weather/burnt-forests-drought-seen-by-space-satellite-comparison-of-previous-years/ [weatherwatch.net.au]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 11 2019, @12:35AM (3 children)
Where are you getting the idea there is more precipitation in Australia during the minimum? There is obviously less, making it drier. The rain is used up elsewhere.
There is a serious problem with making up strawmen on this site, maybe too many old people.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 11 2019, @02:53PM (1 child)
So you claim. But going from more global precipitation to less Australian precipitation requires evidence that it actually happens.
There is, but it didn't happen this time. Must be too many lazy people.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday December 11 2019, @03:15PM
If the solar cycle effect exists, it is minor compared to the El Nino / La Nina (ENSO). When it's El Nino, South America gets extra rain and AU gets less. La Nina, the other way around.
Having said that, if a 0.01% change in atmospheric composition is going to be the end of civilization then I guess a change in the driving engine is going to have effects too.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 11 2019, @03:40PM
Where do you get that idea? I found it interesting how the only thing said about solar cycles is that there's more precipitation during minimums. That's it. By that logic then we arrive at Australia receiving more precipitation during solar minimums. If there is some argument to make that proves whatever you think you're saying, then by all means make that argument. But it's silly to accuse me of "making up straw men", when your (or perhaps some other AC's) argument really was that flimsy.