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Feds prescribe $9m cash injection to counter 5G phobias
The federal government has gone on the offensive against a growing anti-5G movement in some communities, freeing-up a cash splash of $9 million over four years to get back on the community relations front foot with “additional scientific research and further public education”.
The move, announced on Monday, comes amid broader government and industry concern that US-style conspiracy theories – which cover topics ranging from public health immunisation, water fluoridation and the electromagnetic radiation – are quickly taking root in some communities.
The proliferation of community based opposition to the rollout of 5G, which is just starting to occur across Australia, is potentially a major headache for the government and telecommunications industry because of its potential disrupt infrastructure renewal and substantially increase costs.
While most anti-5G groups initially muster and organise their actions online, the political trench warfare typically starts at the local government level in the form concerned resident opposition to the construction and placement of new infrastructure.
A major issue for governments to date has been that campaigns run by groups opposed to 5G and mobile infrastructure can often move much quicker than government responses and fire a barrage of alarming claims that often go unchallenged because of slow responses.
Opposition to 5G, like the anti-vaccination movement, also straddles socioeconomic groups with growing support among both low income and high income demographics.
That sub-optimal public situation now needs to be urgently addressed, judging by the federal government’s response, with Communications Minister Paul Fletcher saying that “the Government recognises that there is significant community interest in being satisfied that rigorous safety standards are in place as new 5G mobile networks are rolled out around Australia.”
Fletcher also wants the science to do the talking – a slightly awkward tightrope to walk given previous antipathy towards the broader scientific community on issues such as climate science by parts of the Coalition, which has even extended to the health impact of investigating wind farms.
(Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Monday December 16 2019, @08:50PM (20 children)
Yes, please tell me all about the physiological effects that you've observed cells undergoing in a petri dish under milimeter wave raditation(other than like, literally cooking at obscene flux levels like 150 watts per square meter). I'm sure your material evidence is totally robust and not, as you are so unfairly tarred "anti-science trolling".
You people fucking suck. If all you can do is pretend to be oppressed when questioned as to your facts, you're full of shit.
Not "wrong", merely making an inaccurate deduction from complex information that is hard to analyze fairly. Some of the climate change denial shitheads at least rise to this level.
No. You're just full of shit, meaning nothing but bluster and confidence derived from your own need to generate a facade of insight to cover up your own broken fucking egos.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @08:53PM (5 children)
Tired and humourless at the end of 2019 or just humourless?
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday December 16 2019, @08:59PM (3 children)
Ignoring all the wit and cleverness of just saying random very dumb bullshit you believe?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @09:13PM (2 children)
OP sounds like a good parody of the incoherent rambling one can, sadly, too frequently read all over the internet today. Seems you've been a too easy victim of Poe's law.
Merry Christmas. Start early, you need it.
The TL;DR: whoosh
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday December 16 2019, @09:22PM (1 child)
I don't buy your parsing.
Someone lampooning the psychos wouldn't make bones about being unreasonably described as a Russian troll, something that itself, is overdone by people who are tritely dismissive of internet criticism. Their core message was built on a basically sound argument: i.e. that tech companies don't give a fuck about you. If you wanted to make a parody, you'd pick a core argument that clearly doesn't hold any water at all, and and stick to it to the point of farce. Like you'd say "tech companies want to take creep shots of my dog naked" or something. That kind of joke betrays an understanding of milimeter wave but also gives the game away.
I don't know, they could just be really fucking bad at parody. That happens too.
Poe's law has its place, but it also gives every dumbfuck an out of "you took my bullshit seriously, even though it's actually what I believe, so actually you lose"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:16PM
Have you considered OP wasn't actually parodying any single particular position, but rather an inconsistent combination of them and the smug indignation that usually accompanies them?
Have you considered why this got you so clearly upset when you obviously agree with exactly half of it?
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Tuesday December 17 2019, @04:50AM
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @08:59PM
Climate change denial? Didn't anybody tell those fools that we don't trust studies funded in service of billion-dollar multinational fossil fuel corporations? We only trust studies funded in service of billion-dollar multinational media technology corporations.
Tell them the science is settled.
(Score: 4, Informative) by ikanreed on Monday December 16 2019, @09:16PM (6 children)
Quick follow up, I've decided to actually answer the "cook" question rigorously since someone may pretend to be seriously concerned about it.
We're going to do worst case for an adult human male at 10 meters.
A 5g station can be expected to use 10 kilowatts of electrical power. Worst case analysis means zero loss, all of that converted into microwave radiation.
A light adult human male can be assumed to be 55 kilograms. We're going to assume that's all water for ease of calculation. A really fucking fat human might be a little less dense.
A large adult human male can have a cross section as large as 0.4 square meters.
They usually build safety fences at a distance of about 10 meters around towers.
There are 0.86 kilocalories(i.e. enough to heat one kilogram of water one degree C) per watt hour
Following a spherical model for fall off of radiation, we can say that our prototypical adult human male will recieve approximately 0.049 calories of energy per kilogram per hour, and will therefor increase in temperature by a 20th of a degree per hour, right outside the safety fence. [duckduckgo.com]
Scalding.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday December 16 2019, @10:18PM (3 children)
I've talked a lot of shit about 5G (including my satirical...maybe...comment above) but the truth is I don't know whether or not it is harmless in the long-term. But that's kind of the point, as with self-driving cars, I think this needs to be vetted a little more carefully before cramming it up the public's ass. You're thinking macroscopically, but what microscopic effects would the penetrating millimeter-wave radiation have on your cells' organelles and DNA over the long-term?
The major difference between 5G and the legacy methods is that 5G is a phased array and so the beam directly illuminates you and "follows you around." A non-techie who heard that explanation would quite possibly be weirded out in the same sense that people being followed by anything tends to weird them out. It's not like the previous methods where the TX/RX method magically flows from the device into the ether and vise-versa. Being followed by a beam is more intimate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:38PM (1 child)
Someone sticky this post! EF is capable of adult conversation! Too late for tomorrow's headlines?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday December 16 2019, @11:33PM
Suck my fucking dick, you goddamn NIGGER.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2019, @04:19AM
The phased beam should be at reduced power so the signal intensity at the target shouldn't be any higher than with a non-phased array.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:51PM
but with 5g if you want a strong signal you'll have to be inside that safety fence :)
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday December 18 2019, @02:34AM
The omnidirectional model is clearly wrong. Even without the phased tracking they will try to keep it in the horizontal plane so a better model would be assuming it was all radiated in a disk a few metres thick.
Regarding the phased array tracking, what happens if you happen to live near the antenna, and are sitting on your deck enjoying a beer, and right at the limit of the signal a 5G hipster is trying to connect, and all three of you/hipster/antenna happen to be in a straight line?
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 16 2019, @10:59PM (5 children)
"Probing the effect(s) of the microwaves’ electromagnetic fields in enzymatic reactions"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45152-9 [nature.com]
The less a "progressive" knows, the louder their public demonstrations of ignorance are.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday December 17 2019, @03:12PM (4 children)
Fuuuuuuuck off. And their "in vivo" experiment that you're actually citing was very poorly controlled. Like hella poorly controlled. It was 4 steaks slow-cooked different ways with a meat softening enzyme rubbed on the ones subjected to microwaves.
I mean, unless you want to argue 45 C is a normal stable temperature to monitor meat at.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 17 2019, @08:48PM (3 children)
You didn't even look at the URL before latching on a random phrase for your crazy rant, did you, blockhead?
Go tell Nature Research how their reviewers don't know "hella poorly controlled" experiments and you do. LOL. Godspeed, dumbfuuuck.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday December 17 2019, @08:56PM (2 children)
That's in the fucking abstract of the paper the GGP linked, jesus christ.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @03:49AM (1 child)
Let's talk instead of soap, which your momma failed to put in your mouth when it still could help things, after she failed to put enough neurons in your braincase.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:45PM
Or just shut the fuck up, as people who are totally full of shit add nothing to any conversation.