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The secret federal court that approves orders for conducting surveillance on suspected foreign terrorists or spies issued a strong and highly unusual public rebuke to the FBI on Tuesday, ordering the agency to say how it intends to correct the errors revealed last week by a Justice Department report on one aspect of the FBI's investigation of Donald Trump's 2016 campaign.
Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz said the FBI made serious and repeated mistakes in seeking under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, to conduct surveillance of Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser.
The FBI's submission to the court made assertions that were "inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation," the report said.
Rosemary Collyer, presiding judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, said in the unusual public order that the report "calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable." She ordered the FBI to explain in writing by Jan. 10 how it intends to remedy those problems.
Document here: https://www.scribd.com/document/440156909/Fisa-Court-to-FBI
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:54AM (30 children)
TMB will know what the subject line means. For those who are not fishers of non-scaled fish, this is Trump Voter Bait. Almost too easy, much like the aforementioned rotting-suet, but click-bait nonetheless.
The FBI was spying on Trump. Why? Criminal activity. They got a warrant, and everything! So why is the Bastard Loser not tossed out on his Pomade? Because of Russian operations that keep throwing up things like our fine Summary here. Soylent News Editors, you have been had, bamboozled, besmirked and miscombuberated. An Editorial Apology is in order.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:12AM (9 children)
They got a warrant because the CIA told Page to contact the Russians, then an FBI lawyer changed the email saying they told him to do so to saying they did not. After changing the email he texted his friends/collegues that he had "initiated the destruction of the republic" multiple times. All those contacted also had a duty to report this crime.
That is just one of the "mistakes" that was reported by the Horowitz investigation.
But people like you, deathmonkey, and azuma would all prefer to let children get sex trafficked if it means a chance of preventing Trumps reelection, so I doubt you care about that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @12:31PM (6 children)
I'll give you a hint: The sex trafficking that isn't done by relatives is oftentimes being done with the tacit approval of those in power or those in law enforcement, whether through economic incentive or direct participation. Epstein was not an isolated incident and this particular problem is not going to be solved by security theater from the primary consumer group of the the trafficking. Law enforcemnt and politicians like to tell us how much better they are than everyone else, but the truth is they are just as dirty as the rest of us in the best of times, and much more dirty in the worst.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @12:36PM (5 children)
No, deathmonkey and azuma have both said they would not interfere with a child sex trafficking ring if it meant Trump would be more likely to get elected, eg because prominent democrats were involved. From aristarchuses posts I assume the same.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @12:40PM (2 children)
It is only meant as an example of what we are dealing with here, these people do not care what happens or who they need to support if it helps "stop Trump".
They are sick. At least the people feeding them their talking points have crimes to cover up and get massive financial and political benefit from this, but the low level peons that would post here... What is their benefit?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:13PM (1 child)
More or less sick than those feeding the ego and supporting the most mentally ill and corrupt President ever? As in worse than Nixon corrupt. As in worse than Harding corrupt. As in worse than Reagan mentally ill. As in worse than Lincoln mentally ill.
At least the low level persons under Trump believe his bullshit that Trump will do better for them and the country personally, as delusional as that is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:47PM
If you cover up evidence of a child being raped, it is more sick than "feeding the ego" of someone. Just that you would ask a question like that shows how messed up you are.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:00PM (1 child)
[Citation Needed]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:39PM
Well here is another opportunity for you.
Do you think it was ok for ABC to cover up the Epstein story because it was inconvenient to their democrat political allies even if it meant the continued sexual abuse of women and children?
(Score: -1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:28PM (1 child)
Democrats: supporters and lovers of the F "lets get MLK to kill himself" BI, secret star chambers execution squads of Obama vintage, secret courts and secret warrants based on lies and fabricated evidence.
Whatever Trump may be that you lot complain about, is projection. Trump isn't even particularly good at being evil, at least in comparison to you guys.
Sincerely,
ex-Democrat
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday December 22 2019, @04:11AM
The moderation I received on this post, proves the point about Democrats.
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/ [theintercept.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:02PM (1 child)
Wow you weren't kidding. Therr is so little substance in the article and the nutty trumpers are running with it like it is the anti-Mueller report. I'm all for reforming the secrecy bullshit shoved down our throats by the patriot act, but it doesn't change a thing with trump. If he didn't wanna be impeached then he shouldn't have committed crimes.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:56PM
This has nothing to do with the current impeachment farce. This was the last debunked farce based on BS you already forgot about.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Captival on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:10PM (5 children)
Libtards are extremely stupid and wildly uninformed. It's breathtaking how proud they are of their total ignorance.
This is an important story. Corrupt Democrats in the FBI are accusing Trump of colluding with foreign nations to get dirt on his political enemies, using a dossier they got from foreign nations with dirt on their political enemies. None of it was proven true at all, so they lied about constantly and even FORGED EVIDENCE. When the FBI wasn't busy fucking each other and cheating on their wives while making anti-Trump "insurance policies", they were forging documents, lying about their sources to a judge, and using the flimsiest 3rd party accusations as a basis for their spying and impeachment. Meanwhile by contrast, the same people cleared Hillary of all charges BEFORE they even reviewed the evidence of her case. And despite all this wrongdoing and neverending string of "mistakes" that all coincidentally favor Democrats and harm Trump, the FBI parades an endless lineup of 'distinguished' former employees to CNN and MSNBC to tell us how unamerican and evil it is to question the almighty FBI. Why, it's destroying the very fabric of our democracy if you notice all their lying and corruption! How dare you!
It's nuts. But since Libtards are such easily-led sheep, they get their news from CNN and don't know that most of this even happened. What little they do know, they don't care because they're a hive mind and their sheepherders told them it doesn't matter because the other side is bad. Trump is Hitler, just like Bush was Hitler and Reagan was Hitler. Everybody who doesn't have a (D) by their name is Hitler and everyone who does is perfect in every way. Whatever you do, don't ask any inconvenient questions about why Russia gave millions of dollars to the Clintons as a quote "birthday present" or why the Kerrys and Bidens and Clintons and their cronies did so much Russia business for decades. That was BEFORE we declared Russia to be a boogeyman, so all THAT foreign collusion was acceptable. It's only bad now because we decided so.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:10PM
Captival is Hitler. Jus' saying.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:33PM (3 children)
I marked you underrated instead of informative because of the prejorative you used. Instead of libtard, just say "democrat" because A) Democrats aren't actually liberals anymore, they are authoritarians, and B) it will make it easier for you to get your point across without the distracting insult.
(Score: 1, Troll) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:42AM (2 children)
You should have modded that rant -1 Flamebait, because most of it is either lies or nonsense.
Using the term "libtard" just confirms that he has no real clue how the United States of America actually works.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Friday December 20 2019, @05:25AM (1 child)
Maybe any post containing the word "libtard" outside of quotes should he automatically downmodded when being posted.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday December 22 2019, @03:49AM
Good call.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:29PM (11 children)
Also note that they investigated FOUR separate warrant applications and found errors only on ONE of them. So, 75% were fine.
And, they also found that no bias was involved in these errors.
Throw the book at whoever fucked up, though!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:41PM (4 children)
Both those statements are blatantly false. Quotes from Horowitz's testimony or the report to back it up?
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:58PM (3 children)
Claim 1: They investigated four warrant applications
Claim 2: They found issues with only one.
Claim 3: They found no bias
Claims 1 and 3:
Claim 2: This article is only about the Cater Page application.
FTSummary:
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:10PM (2 children)
That says they found no one who admitted to bias or anyone who wrote down they were opening the investigation due to bias. Not that they found no bias. See quotes in the other response to you.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:50PM (1 child)
Ah, the Trump era where
does not mean that they found no bias.
Up doesn't mean up, favor doesn't mean favor, and the IG report is going to be the definitive report until it doesn't say what they want it to say.
Oh, and we have Trump's defenders saying that it is improper to open an investigation into a presidential candidate, except, you know, when the president (or is it an R?) does it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:47PM
That is in any era, it has been known since ancient times. Also, in Horowitz's testimony before congress he explicitly says that bias is indeed one possible explanation for why there were so many "errors" made in the same direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:08PM (4 children)
False. On page 367-368, 377-378:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571528/120919-Examination.pdf [documentcloud.org]
False. Page 193, 376-377:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6571528/120919-Examination.pdf [documentcloud.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:37PM (3 children)
Oh ya got me! I should have said 'investigations' instead of 'applications.'
They found errors in the Carter Page application and those errors weren't fixed in the renewals.
They reviewed FOUR investigations:
Carter Page
George Papadopolous (who is now a felon)
Paul Manafort (who is now a felon)
And, Michael Flynn (who is also now a felon)
From the OIG report:
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:25PM (2 children)
I don't even believe that is what you original meant (you most likely copy-pasted that talking point from somewhere), but this report only tangentially touches on those other investigations:
However, as to whether those investigations were above board:
And finally there is this:
Whenever you see something surprising, that means one of your premises is probably wrong. This is why Barr/Durham said they disagreed about the predication for the case because they had extra info. Here the CIA comes into play, we will see that coming out later.
So anyway, the report does not say what you claim it does (as usual). Now go forth and continue to spew your propaganda.
(Score: 2) by Aegis on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:12AM (1 child)
You realize that your quotes say there were four cases and that they were opened appropriately, right?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:20AM
Can you see where it says "appropriately" is according to some very low standards that should be changed, and only refers to *opened* as a preliminary investigation vs continued after contrary evidence accumulated (and was hidden and falsified).
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:52PM
Only if you ignore a bunch of stuff:
So t was a single erroneous warrent renewed three times. Hence, the initial errors apply to all.