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posted by martyb on Thursday January 02 2020, @07:06PM   Printer-friendly
from the wibbly-wobbly-spacetimey-jets dept.

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A Strange Black Hole Is Shooting Out Wobbly Jets Because It's Dragging Spacetime:

Some 7,800 light-years away, in the constellation of Cygnus, lies a most peculiar black hole. It's called V404 Cygni, and in 2015, telescopes around the world stared in wonder as it woke from dormancy to devour material from a star over the course of a week.

That one event provided such a wealth of information that astronomers are still analysing it. And they have just discovered an amazing occurrence: relativistic jets wobbling so fast their change in direction can be seen in mere minutes.

[...] V404 Cygni is a binary microquasar system consisting of a black hole about nine times the mass of the Sun and a companion star, an early red giant slightly smaller than the Sun.

The black hole is slowly devouring the red giant; the material siphoned away from the star is orbiting the black hole in the form of an accretion disc, a bit like water circling a drain. The closest regions of the disc are incredibly dense and hot, and extremely radiant; and, as the black hole feeds, it shoots out powerful jets of plasma, presumably from its poles.

[...] "We think the disc of material and the black hole are misaligned," [astrophysicist James] Miller-Jones said. "This appears to be causing the inner part of the disc to wobble like a spinning top and fire jets out in different directions as it changes orientation."

[...] It's a bit like a spinning top that starts to wobble as it's slowing down, the researchers said. This change in the rotational axis of a spinning body is called precession. In this particular instance, we have a handy explanation for it courtesy of Albert Einstein.

In his theory of general relativity, Einstein predicted an effect called frame-dragging. As it spins, a rotating black hole's gravitational field is so intense that it essentially drags spacetime with it. (This is one of the effects scientists hoped to observe when they took a picture of Pōwehi.)

In the case of V404 Cygni, the accretion disc is about 10 million kilometres (6.2 million miles) across. The misalignment of the black hole's rotational axis with the accretion disc has warped the inner few thousand kilometres of said disc.

The frame-dragging effect then pulls the warped part of the disc along with the black hole's rotation, which sends the jet careening off in all directions. In addition, that inner section of the accretion disc is puffed up like a solid doughnut that also precesses.

"This is the only mechanism we can think of that can explain the rapid precession we see in V404 Cygni," Miller-Jones said.

[...] the team had to [take] 103 separate images with exposure times of just 70 seconds and [stitch] them together to create a movie - and sure enough, there were the wibbly wobbly spacetimey jets.

A video explaining the activity is available on Vimeo.

A rapidly changing jet orientation in the stellar-mass black-hole system V404 Cygni, Nature (DOI: doi:10.1038/s41586-019-1152-0)


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Friday January 03 2020, @01:33AM (9 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Friday January 03 2020, @01:33AM (#938904) Journal

    except they don't DEPEND on dark matter for an explanation:

    1. QI also explains it: https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2012/12/undue-wait.html [blogspot.com]
    2. https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2016/03/mihsc-wins-in-dwarf-galaxies.html [blogspot.com]
    3. https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2013/09/anomalies-at-low-acceleration.html [blogspot.com]
    4. https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2015/03/dark-matter-contradicts-itself.html [blogspot.com]
              https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2017/06/evidence-from-early-galaxy.html [blogspot.com]
    5. https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2014/11/a-love-of-anomalies.html [blogspot.com]
    6. Are you asking Galaxy formation structure?
    "There is no experimental evidence for dark matter, and for each different galaxy the dark matter has to be added by hand in such a way as to make general relativity work. This means dark matter is ad hoc and not predictive and so we may as well attribute the rotation to lingering poltergeists. In contrast, MiHsC predicts galaxy rotation without any 'fiddling'."
    https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-present-crisis-in-physics.html [blogspot.com]
    7. Not enough data yet: https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-bullet-cluster.html [blogspot.com]
    8. How does this depend on DM? They, possibly, aren't consistent in being 'standard candles'.
    9. I don't see how this DEPENDS on DM at all.
    10. I don't see how this DEPENDS on DM at all.
    11. I don't see how this DEPENDS on DM at all, either.

    New list:
    1. Dark matter can't explain Wide Binaries (AT ALL!) but QI can.
    2. Renzo's rule
    3. Milgrom's acceleration cutoff
    4. Globular clusters
    5. The cusp-core problem

    https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2017/10/dark-matter-does-not-exist.html [blogspot.com]

    I need more "real science"!

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday January 03 2020, @11:02PM (8 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Friday January 03 2020, @11:02PM (#939269) Homepage
    > 7. Not enough data yet: https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-bullet-cluster.html [blogspot.com]

    Damn right that response doesn't have enough data.

    In no way is the thing that doesn't even address the question a better answer than the thing that addresses the question with an answer in agreement with other things we know about DM.

    Just because we don't know what it is doesn't mean we can't know it exists from what it does. *No* scientist is saying they know what it is, and you appear to be using that honesty as a stick with which to beat them. But that's not how science works. We knew the planets go round the sun a long time before the concept of a gratitational field was hypothesised. That's not a flaw, that's piecing together larger theories bit by bit. If you deny the evidence, such at planets going round the sun, you're quite likely going to *slow down* the progress of science.

    Keep an open mind, but don't let your brain fall out.
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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday January 04 2020, @12:51AM (7 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Saturday January 04 2020, @12:51AM (#939304) Journal

      I AM keeping an open mind: I'm not saying QI IS the answer and no other, la la la my ears are plugged....

      ...what I'm saying is DM is a kludge to save GR that kept evolving new parameters (can't think of the word I want) until it worked.

      It is not scientific, it has magical qualities (theres the word) brought in to make it work.

      I hate magic...I open my mind to science like QI.

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:08AM (6 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:08AM (#939346) Homepage
        DM is not a kludge. I used to be in some vague agreement with you on the hackiness of DM, but then I watched more lectures, and I read more (summaries of) papers, and eventually, when one sees 100 slices of cucumber stand up alongside each other one has to finally give up ones[*] "you can't balance a slice of cucumber" argument. It's an elegant solution that reduces the number of special exceptions you need to make. Ockham, motherfucker.

        [* No, I will never put an apostrophe in "ones", there's no historical precedent for it, and it's an ignorant modern change that complicates things. Posessive pronouns ("his", "hers", "its", "theirs", "yours", "ones") do not have apostrophes as *nothing was apostrophised*. Ockham, motherfucker.]
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        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:33AM (5 children)

          by Gaaark (41) on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:33AM (#939355) Journal

          Well, see, I see QI as the simplest Ockham solution, "mother fucker".

          Has a formula, is predictive and isn't arbitrary: much simpler than o formula to work with, predicts nothing and is arbitrary as hell!

          Ockham, "mother fucker".

          And, it's easy to balance a slice of cucumber and you don't need magic!

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          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:46AM (4 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday January 04 2020, @03:46AM (#939360) Homepage
            100 slices of cucumber balance more easily than 1. The science that is broad an mutually supporting has almost always proved to be the one that lives another generation.

            DM has been tested, and supported with evidence. Everything that cannot be explained simply without it supports DM.
            QI has not been tested to any comparable extent. And the last thing I heard, last year, was that it had suffered an embarassing failure.
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            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday January 04 2020, @04:27AM (3 children)

              by Gaaark (41) on Saturday January 04 2020, @04:27AM (#939382) Journal

              QI has not been around as long but is now getting funding and testing and seems to me to be supported by more real evidence than DM!

              And what, pray tell, is this embarrassing failure?

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              • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 04 2020, @01:31PM (2 children)

                by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday January 04 2020, @01:31PM (#939476) Homepage
                He associated himself or his theories with one of the proposed mechanisms for EM-Drives. Which recently finally had some teting done, and was found to not produce any reactionless thrust at all. Oooops.
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                • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday January 04 2020, @02:22PM (1 child)

                  by Gaaark (41) on Saturday January 04 2020, @02:22PM (#939487) Journal

                  It wasn't disproved:

                  First measurement campaigns were carried out
                  with both thruster models reaching thrust/thrust-to-
                  power levels comparable to claimed values.
                  However, we found that e.g. magnetic interaction
                  from twisted-pair cables and amplifiers with the
                  Earth’s magnetic field can be a significant error
                  source for EMDrives. We continue to improve our
                  measurement setup and thruster developments in
                  order to finally assess if any of these concepts is
                  viable and if it can be scaled up.
                  ---https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325177082_The_SpaceDrive_Project_-_First_Results_on_EMDrive_and_Mach-Effect_Thrusters

                  They say further improvements to setups are needed to disprove.

                  Ooopsy!

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                  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday January 04 2020, @04:36PM

                    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday January 04 2020, @04:36PM (#939530) Homepage
                    They were looking for a needle twitch. The needle didn't twitch.

                    Keep cheering for them, by all means. We scientists need something to laugh at.
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