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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday January 08 2020, @03:25AM   Printer-friendly
from the year-of-the-gaming-desktop dept.

The Register:

Linux gamers have found yet again that their ubiquitous operating system remains unwelcome in the context of mainstream entertainment.

The latest insult comes from Electronic Arts, which appears to have issued a few permanent bans to online Battlefield V players attempting to play the game on Linux systems.

Mind you, Battlefield V isn't intended for Linux; the EA game specifies that a 64-bit version of Windows 7, 8.1, or 10 is required. But those committed to Linux can get around that by using Lutris, a Linux gaming client.

Last month, a Battlefield V player claimed that attempting to play the game online using Lutris resulted in getting banned. It would seem to be the fault of EA's server-side anti-cheating system FairFight. A few others participating in the discussion thread said they too had been banned. That's not exactly a mass market catastrophe.

EA apparently considers using Linux to be cheating.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @05:51AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @05:51AM (#940931)

    So you think that stopping cheating is more important than not falsely banning people who use non-proprietary operating systems? I don't agree with you that the ends justify the means.

    No one should be buying these broken, locked-down, proprietary games in the first place, though.

    And cheating is an absolute plague across online gaming

    An even greater plague is the very existence of proprietary software, as well as digital restrictions management and other forms of malware.

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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Mykl on Wednesday January 08 2020, @06:17AM (6 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday January 08 2020, @06:17AM (#940936)

    Yes. Stopping cheating is more important that letting people use the game in a way that the designer did not intend.

    I have no issue with people running games on non-proprietary operating systems. I just recognise that it would be difficult for a game developer to tell the difference between a hack that allows a game to run on a non-Windows machine, and a hack that allows someone to cheat. It's not their responsibility to invest ongoing money into identifying those differences though - EA have specifically said that you need to run this under Windows, and they do have a responsibility to minimise cheating on their platform. To ignore that would be to put themselves out of business.

    And if you think that proprietary software is such a plague, then you shouldn't be playing EA games anyway - problem solved!

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @10:40AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @10:40AM (#940991)

      Yes. Stopping cheating is more important that letting people use the game in a way that the designer did not intend.

      No, cheating is a small issue compared to freedom in computing. To mandate that people use an operating system as abusive and malware-ridden as Windows is foolish. It would be much better to ban cheaters when they are found than use shoddy anti-cheating software.

      Of course, the fact that the game software itself is proprietary and abusive presents its own issues.

      I just recognise that it would be difficult for a game developer to tell the difference between a hack that allows a game to run on a non-Windows machine, and a hack that allows someone to cheat.

      There are plenty of other online games that work on multiple operating systems, so I have a hard time believing a company as large as EA can't figure out how to fix their defective software.

      And if you think that proprietary software is such a plague, then you shouldn't be playing EA games anyway - problem solved!

      I don't, and yet the problem is not solved. The mere existence of proprietary software threatens people's freedoms, and that alone makes it an issue. The more people that buy into proprietary software, the harder it becomes to avoid it in general.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @06:53PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @06:53PM (#941149)

        Perhaps it is more important to you. Is it important to those who actually play the games and want to win?

        They are under no compulsion to change or release their software under a free license. You are under no compulsion to purchase it. So who exactly has the problem?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @11:45PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 08 2020, @11:45PM (#941250)

        No, cheating is a small issue compared to freedom in computing.

        Does your Constitution give you the right to free games somehow? Or free computing?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 09 2020, @12:01AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 09 2020, @12:01AM (#941253)

          If I legally obtained the hammer, I consider I have right to use it any way I please, except hitting my mother-in-law with it. That would leave a bad impression on her mind.

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday January 10 2020, @02:03AM

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday January 10 2020, @02:03AM (#941740)

        No, cheating is a small issue compared to freedom in computing.

        For you, sure. For other players, no. 99% of them are using Windows/Mac, and really don't care about Linux unfortunately, and they're tired of cheaters.

        To mandate that people use an operating system as abusive and malware-ridden as Windows is foolish.

        There's nothing foolish about pissing off 1% of your customer base to keep the other 99% from leaving. They don't care about MS being abusive or having malware; it's what they use already.

        It would be much better to ban cheaters when they are found than use shoddy anti-cheating software.

        That probably takes much more work in their view, and they don't think the software is shoddy. Of course, they may be proven wrong, but this isn't being accounted for by the executives making this decision.

        Of course, the fact that the game software itself is proprietary and abusive presents its own issues.

        Not for the customers or the company. Free Software has come up with a lot of great stuff, but it has never been shown to be successful in making games competitive with start-of-the-art AAA games. There's a lot more to a game than programming, and artists and all those other people don't work for free usually.

        The mere existence of proprietary software threatens people's freedoms, and that alone makes it an issue

        You're free to not use it.

        The more people that buy into proprietary software, the harder it becomes to avoid it in general.

        This is valid for operating systems, but not games. No one needs to play any particular game. If you don't like the game, don't buy it; it's really that simple. I don't like AAA games either, so I don't buy them, and I suggest you do the same. But I'm not going to run around telling people they can't buy some game, because *that* is infringing their freedom of choice. Crappy proprietary games' existence doesn't keep anyone from making Free games, or anyone from playing those Free games. In fact, there's lots of Free games out there if you care to look, though they're generally not at all competitive with the latest AAA games.

    • (Score: 2) by loonycyborg on Wednesday January 08 2020, @10:58AM

      by loonycyborg (6905) on Wednesday January 08 2020, @10:58AM (#940994)

      Those cheating detection methods are very unsophisticated and hackish and can get lots of false positives for various reasons. There wasn't confirmation from EA that it was caused by linux right? Most likely it's just some flaw in anti-cheat that can manifest in windows systems too but perhaps rarely.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday January 08 2020, @11:53AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 08 2020, @11:53AM (#941004) Journal

    So you think that stopping cheating is more important than not falsely banning people who use non-proprietary operating systems?
    Yes. Simply because it's not about fairness, it's about profit.
    Why do you hate capitalism?

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