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China has sent armed vessels and fishing boats into Indonesian waters fueling tensions between the nations in another move by China to try to claim ownership of the region. With China now deliberately sending vessels into the waters of other countries, their actions may be seen as the start of armed hostilities. For years China has made political and financial maneuvers to claim control over other nations through debt and intimidation. Indonesia has refused to negotiate with China on the matter as they see the actions as China invading their territory. With both sides bringing both sky and sea vehicles into the region the outcome of this issue may be a deciding point to determine whether or not China will be pushed out of the region. While the ruling by the UN is very clear about the region, China refuses to accept it.
China appears to have forgotten why the UN was formed in the first place. Japan learned a hard lesson in 1945.
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Friday January 10 2020, @03:55AM (17 children)
China learned the lesson. They got nukes before aircraft carriers.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @07:49AM (14 children)
Their planning is 60 years, 200 years. Not 4 years or just till the next election. I have been trying to alert people for the past 20+ years but they still think I'm mad. The day of reckoning approaches. And who will pay? The guilty politicians who led us into this mess? No - it will be your kids, brothers, uncles, fathers - who will have to sacrifice again to free the world.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @12:09PM (3 children)
The change from the 5-year plans and their 2 term leaders to the current leader for life kind of broke the proper planning ahead, didn't it?
Even if American planning is next election, it doesn't mean that bureaucracy doesn't plan for 10 or 20 years. The UN Montreal Protocols were actually world planning ahead that 20 or 40 years to not fuck up the ozone layer. And it worked.
China is no longer planning anything ahead. It's broken for last 5 years as Xi concentrated power away from the bureaucracy and technocrats into his own hands. You see, as long as we have a bureaucracy running the show, the show will go on more or less on track. But as soon as we get power hungry idiots elected, like Erdogan or Trump or Hitler or Putin, the show can quickly fuck itself up. Generally, you have 1 election after that is still free, but then, well, nothing.
Pretty shitty summary, but well, whatever. US has very little say in the area now, so China might as well step in. China's not invading anything. They are just pushing buttons.
I would say China is doing hell of a better job than US in this regard anyway. (see US pushing buttons in Middle East)
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:46PM
As a good MSM believing NPC, you should be aware that Hungary's Orban and Poland's Morawiecki are also on the list of democratically elected leaders that we should hate, and we should just let our betters decide for us.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:06PM (1 child)
So what you're saying is, the Deep State is good and we should just let it do whatever it wants because voters don't know what's good for them? That is telling. Thank you for being honest with us.
You heard it here, folks. Democracy sucks and citizens should not be allowed to elect leaders who change the policy direction of their countries.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday January 12 2020, @01:39AM
That's also the subtext of every socialist speech I ever heard when The People is projected not to vote left.
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 10 2020, @01:01PM (6 children)
But are they any good [soylentnews.org] at it? Just because you play chess, doesn't make you a grandmaster.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Friday January 10 2020, @04:12PM (5 children)
No, the long-term strategic thinkers the Chinese are feared to be are so masterful that they got their asses kicked for several centuries in a row by what were mice from the other side of the world. Concessions were forced on them by the French. By the French. That's gotta just be fucking humiliating.
So, yeah, if we're gonna award the sobriquet of "Master of Long-term Strategy" to anybody in East Asia, it would have to be the Japanese, hands-down. After Commodore Perry they got down to business damn quick and within 40 years were defeating Russia, a major European power, in a war.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Saturday January 11 2020, @02:05AM (4 children)
You must be American, can't accept that the French beat you in your war of independence and can't admit that the only reason you beat the British was from the help from France.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 11 2020, @06:10AM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday January 11 2020, @06:32AM (1 child)
Yes, a small united force can beat a large not united force.
Actually, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-French_War [wikipedia.org], it was basically a draw militarily but the French may have won diplomatically, though that is unclear as the French government fell due to the peace treaty. Both sides claimed victory.
The only other war that I can find that involved the French and Chinese was the second opium war which was an alliance between the UK, the USA and the French and considering what was going on in China at the time, namely the Taiping Revolution, one of the bloodiest wars ever, it is not surprising the Chinese lost.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 11 2020, @01:02PM
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 12 2020, @10:46PM
Of course I skipped over the whole Napoleonic era and key French assistance at Yorktown.
It's true I punctured the grand illusion of Chinese strategic brilliance at French expense. I weighed going with the Dutch instead but they don't have a sense of humor. :-)
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @03:26PM (2 children)
Nah, I'm already past military age. It'll be the millennials that will have to fight this one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 10 2020, @08:21PM (1 child)
Fuckin' sissy. The millenials are going to need role models. Get your ass out there and become an instructor!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 11 2020, @12:46AM
Do not worry. Once elected president, Michael Bloomberg will find the right people to turn those millennial incels into killing machines.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 11 2020, @07:43AM (1 child)
Perhaps when they lose a couple of cities they will reconsider their global expansion plans?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday January 11 2020, @01:12PM
Hmm, I didn't realize they only had an estimated 260 warheads. That might not be enough for M.A.D. Better than zero for deterrence though, and they can make more easily.
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