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posted by janrinok on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:12AM   Printer-friendly
from the hurting-mah-innovation dept.

Gizmodo

The European Parliament is fed up with e-waste—in particular, charging cables. To fix the problem, lawmakers are debating a binding measure that would force gadget makers to use a standardised charging port.

This isn't the first time we've seen this from Europe. One reason why microUSB is so prevalent is back in 2009, the European Commission pushed for it as a universal standard on the continent. Even Apple, the notorious standout in the world of proprietary chargers, acquiesced and made available a microUSB adaptor. (Of course, it was Europe-only).

Once that initiative expired in 2014, European lawmakers tried again to force a common charger, reiterating that it would be not only convenient for consumers, but would also limit e-waste.

The only problem was the initiative called for a "voluntary approach"—a strategy that in a briefing, the European Parliament said has "not yielded the desired results" and "fell short of the co-legislators' objectives." And, while the briefing doesn't specify exactly what port type it has in mind, at this point, USB-C is the likeliest contender.
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In 2018, European lawmakers conducted an inception impact assessment [PDF] on the idea of a common charger and called for feedback from manufacturers. In January last year, Apple provided it.

In its statement, Apple contends that "regulations that would drive conformity across the type of connector built into all smartphones freeze innovation rather than encourage it. Such proposals are bad for the environment and unnecessarily disruptive for customers."


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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday January 16 2020, @11:10AM (5 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @11:10AM (#943945) Journal

    For the sake of argument, let's say this was applied to laptops, where different manufacturers also have different chargers and connectors.

    Not quite the same, is it?
    The charging voltage can vary between different laptop models (even from the same brand) more than between the charging voltage for mobile devices.
    There's no way you could use a USB charger to power a gaming laptop, the wires aren't speced strong enough (only 0.9A for USB3.1 [wikipedia.org] for the current you actually need in the 5V spec-ed as the voltage.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Zinho on Thursday January 16 2020, @12:24PM (2 children)

    by Zinho (759) on Thursday January 16 2020, @12:24PM (#943955)

    That's why USB C chargers have USB PD [wikipedia.org] as a feature - the ability to ramp up to 20V neatly solves the issues of current across the cable and preferred charging voltage, since they're negotiated between the charger and the device. Granted, my 15W phone charger won't keep up with the power demands of a Crysis benchmark on your gaming laptop; however, 100W USB PD adapters [amazon.com] can be had for ~$50, and will also charge my phone just fine. Any PD compliant laptop should be able to eat power from any compliant USB-C charger without burning the cable or destroying the power supply.

    Honestly, having the same power connector for both my phone and laptop is brilliant, and so far I have no complaints about the situation.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:32AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:32AM (#944329)

      At worst make it 2 or 3 charging ports. So if you use 1 then low power normal mode. Plug in second or third then more than snotty power.

      No different then the extra leads hang off an internal PSU

      • (Score: 2) by Zinho on Friday January 17 2020, @01:03AM

        by Zinho (759) on Friday January 17 2020, @01:03AM (#944341)

        Not a problem.

        Want to buy it all as a standalone package? It'll cost about $100. [amazon.com]

        Already have a 100W charger and want to split it out to charge multiple devices? That's about $40. [amazon.com]

        Just want to charge a bunch of phones? You can get 60W split 4 ways for about $30. [amazon.com]

        You can have what you want. Just remember that safe power handling costs money. You can probably get Chinese knockoffs of these products cheaper on eBay or AliExpress, but don't be surprised when you get shocked or your house burns down.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Dr Spin on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:42PM (1 child)

    by Dr Spin (5239) on Thursday January 16 2020, @09:42PM (#944252)

    The charging voltage can vary between different laptop models (even from the same brand)

    This should be declared a crime against humanity, punishable by death.

    The voltage goes directly into a voltage regulator device which can be programmed to convert any input to the required output. The sole purpose of this design feature is to ensure huge amounts of working high-tech kit goes to landfill, thus causing pollution and global warming in a single blow.

    Never mind piddling about with the regulations on new vehicles, manufacturers should be forced to provide all the necessary info for third parties to replace the drive trains of all cars which they have manufactured where the total value of cars still in service exceeds $10 million with lower carbon alternatives.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:29PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 16 2020, @10:29PM (#944277) Journal

      The voltage goes directly into a voltage regulator device which can be programmed to convert any input to the required output. The sole purpose of this design feature is to ensure huge amounts of working high-tech kit goes to landfill, thus causing pollution and global warming in a single blow.

      For reasons, I'm unable to call a DC-2-DC converter "high-tech".

      Besides, due to various power levels different laptops require, you kinda need to. That is, unless you want to see heaps of copper being used to transfer 100-150W of power at 5V without everything going into a ball of flame or fry your balls when you put the laptop in your lap (currents of 20-30A - use a trace-width calculator [google.com] to see the width required for the traces in your power section).

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