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300,000 jobs lost A report from Moody's Analytics [PDF] says that the trade war with China, which started in early 2018, cost 300,000 jobs through September, based on an economic simulation. While it's hard to know exactly how many jobs losses can be attributed to trade tensions, the Moody's report isn't the only one that suggests the duties are having an effect on US workers. A survey of businesses by staffing firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas found that trade difficulties were cited as the reason for more than 10,000 job cuts in August alone. And an analysis by the Tax Foundation also suggests the trade war will result to job losses in the long-run.
American importers paid an extra $46 billion in tariffs Trump is wrong when he claims that China is paying the tariffs. The cost of the tariff comes directly out of the bank account of an American importer when the good arrives at the port. US companies have paid $46 billion more in tariffs than they would have without Trump's tariffs, according to an analysis of government data by the free-trade coalition called Tariffs Hurt the Heartland...
Tariffs cost US consumers Several studies show that tariffs end up costing US families. JPMorgan Chase said that the tariffs imposed in 2018 cost the average household $600 a year.
A separate report, from researchers at the NY Fed, Princeton, and Columbia University, estimated that those tariffs would cost households even more: $831 annually. Their research also considered the cost of shifting supply chains to avoid paying the tariffs....
Manufacturing takes a beating Trump has often argued that his tariffs are boosting the American manufacturing sector, but the industry is in a slump. In December, a measure of manufacturing activity weakened to its lowest point in more than a decade. Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that just 46,000 net manufacturing jobs were added in 2019, an increase of less than 0.5%. While there are likely a lot of factors at play, a recent paper from economists at the Federal Reserve showed that the tariffs are certainly dragging down the sector.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by SpockLogic on Thursday January 16 2020, @01:54PM (21 children)
The Serial Liar in chief will announce that this is "WINNING" and the sheeple will lap it up.
Had enough of this "WINNING" yet?
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday January 16 2020, @02:23PM (4 children)
Earlier this week, he claimed that the deal he had signed with China was a big win for himself, and that these deals were proof that he was the greatest president ever. The Chinese officials spent the speech standing there trying to suppress smirking, most likely because they got everything they wanted (including but not limited to ensuring that there was no rule saying they couldn't steal trade secrets from American companies by hacking into their computer systems).
As far as I can tell, the process for playing the president like a fiddle goes like this:
1. Start a conflict where he feels like he can't just bully his way out of it with his usual combination of threats and childish insults.
2. Get him emotionally invested in getting a deal. He won't care whether the deal is any good, just that there is one.
3. In the negotiations, tell him what you want in a way that it sounds like you're making concessions. In fact, you're getting exactly what you want.
4. Let him announce it as a big win for himself. Let him think that he got what he wanted and is the greatest negotiator ever.
5. Periodically send him notes or phone calls telling him how awesome you think he is.
Kim Jong Un did exactly this. So did Xi Jinping. So probably did Vladimir Putin. And I suspect other world leaders have taken note.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @02:35PM
Any negotiation with Trump has to follow two rules,
1 don't trust Trump on keeping to any deal.
2. it only needs to make Trump look good, nothing else matters
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:07PM (2 children)
Actually, I'm guessing that Tiny Hands is Putin's bitch. Vlad doesn't need to do any grovelling with Trump.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:59PM
Putin's faithful Triumpverate: Trump, Sanders, Gabbard
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @04:08AM
And Trump's making Putin look like Trump's his puppet. Who's the puppet now? Not that anyone's a puppet.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @03:20PM (7 children)
It's been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Since the administration of Bill Clinton, we have been doing the same thing over and over with respect to trade. China is playing to dominate and win. Our leaders, including Trump or any others, need to realize that the status quo is no longer acceptable.
Pulling the Band-Aid off is going to hurt but it needs to be done on occasion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:25PM (2 children)
Yeah -- we aren't going to be able to fix the issue with the unfair trade deals Democrats and DINOs pushed at the expense of the middle and working class without short term problems. The goal is to get to a better position in the long term, but to let things slide, long term consequences way worse than short term consequences.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @03:04AM (1 child)
> The goal is to get to a better position in the long term,
A noble goal for sure (not sarcasm, I agree with your statement). Playing the long game is the way to win for any country.
However, If you think that Trump cares about anything past the next election, I have a bridge to sell to you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @11:03AM
This is the generation of globe spanning multinationals. The Dremopublicrats are successfully selling to the people that they are doing things in their best interest, when just like the CEO of a major corporation they are saying everything is fine while fleecing the company's long term prospects dry for short term profit and preparing to jump out of the nosediving aircraft with their golden parachutes and land somewhere with a new corporation or government to embed in and fleece from ad nauseum.
Wait and see. Or better yet, realize and act.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday January 16 2020, @11:37PM (3 children)
And this is a result you want to change... exactly why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @01:00AM
The usual idea is that blue collar jobs are being sent overseas which is destroying the middle class and increasing wealth inequality.
Really, this is just another aspect of the Cantillon effect though. The US citizens are closer to the newly printed money than people in china, india, etc, so it is more expensive to pay them. It is easier to set a minimum wage and let the government/taxes deal with the fallout.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @05:31PM (1 child)
Where do I begin? Let's start with the horrendous trade deficit with China. Or the technology/IP transfer requirements to operate in their markets. Or market dumping. Or currency manipulation. or (functionally) slave labor. Or offering our manufacturing base as a sacrificial lamb while permitting foreign countries to flout environmental problems. Or national security concerns when we can no longer cover our own needs when the companies close or move overseas. (5G, rare earths, ICs) How did energy dependence work out for us in the 70's through the 2000's? The left is still screaming about Middle East intervention being the result of a thirst for oil. It has been going on for 50 years.
Arrogant assholes like to look down at blue collar people as "They took our jerbs" types without thinking about how foreign dependence on mining and manufacturing hurts everyone. So yes. We need to level the playing field. If you don't like protectionism, you need to convince trading partners to drop their protectionism too. Wagging fingers and pleading for them to behave better has not worked, no matter what prior administrations or their lackeys think.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:01AM
China or not, if you think that blue collar jobs are going to last forever (as a source of income able to keep you in the middle class) and that "that's a good thing™"... the future will have some nasty surprises for you [mining-technology.com]. You can't live forever like your parents did and still think of progressing. Inevitable someone else is going to get better than you, even if you rely on protectionism.
So, what gives? Perhaps the middleclass really needs to up its game and the society need organized in such a way that the middle class actually has the opportunity to do it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0, Troll) by Captival on Thursday January 16 2020, @04:17PM (6 children)
Record high stock market. 50 year best unemployment numbers. No WW3. Every prediction Libtards make is wrong yet somehow they're still completely full of themselves. The best part is how they autisticly dance between blaming Trump for every single bit of economic news they don't like while simultaneous giving O'Muslim all the credit for everything good that happens, even when they predicted a recession would happen every year for the last 4. Meanwhile, Iran lies about the plane crash, lies about shooting it down, lies about letting Canada in to investigate, lies AGAIN about the US 'cyberhacking' their missiles to cause it - and despite the constant parade of lies, still blames Trump for breaking O'Traitor's nuclear agreement that Iran wasn't even complying with in the first place [apnews.com]. Maybe Trump should have sent them another planeful of cash like the last guy, nothing Liberals love more than directly supporting terrorists who kill Americans [iranobserver.org].
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @05:23PM (1 child)
Sorry, your lack of knowledge and belief in fantasy is not curable. Enjoy your delusions.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @09:12AM
Can’t refute anything: Orange Man Bad! Can’t you see!?!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by SpockLogic on Thursday January 16 2020, @06:50PM (3 children)
"Donald Trump gets impeached — 63 Canadians die."
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @12:14AM
Ya but a lot were Iranian terorists so it is totally ok!! /s
I wish we could see the alternate reality where Obama did all this, conservatives would make our liberal anger look like tea time.
(Score: 3, Informative) by stretch611 on Friday January 17 2020, @11:18AM (1 child)
He got impeached over using his office to promote his own personal interests over the best interests of the country. (and ofc, denied it.)
Desperate for a win, he killed a Iraq General (admittedly a scumbag... but we would be pissed if a foreign nation killed our scumbag commander in chief.)
in other words, to deflect the news cycle over his impeachment, he promoted his own personal interests over the best interests of the country. (and once again denied it; using a ficticious threat to our embassies.)
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday January 17 2020, @03:31PM
And in the process 176 civilians died.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 16 2020, @08:25PM
He was right about one thing.
He said they would do so much "winning" we would be sick of it.