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posted by janrinok on Friday January 17 2020, @05:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the taking-the-piss dept.

WSJ runs this story (alternative MSN same text)

HONG KONG—Japanese citizen Midori Nishida was checking in to a flight in Hong Kong in November to visit her parents on Saipan, a U.S. island in the Pacific, when airline staff made an unusual demand. She had to take a pregnancy test if she wanted to board.

Ms. Nishida, 25 years old, was escorted to a public rest room and handed a strip to urinate on.

The test was part of the response of one airline, Hong Kong Express Airways, to immigration concerns in Saipan. The island has become a destination for women intending to give birth on U.S. territory, making their babies eligible for American citizenship. In 2018, more tourists than residents gave birth in the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, in which Saipan is the largest island.

Pregnant foreigners aren't barred from entering the U.S., or from giving birth in U.S. territory. But immigration authorities can turn away visitors if they are found to be lying about their purpose of travel, or if they come to the U.S. planning to have a medical procedure, such as giving birth, but can't prove they have the funds to pay for it.

Airlines are required to take back passengers who are denied entry—an incentive to ensure that those who board their flights are likely to be deemed admissible to the U.S.

One would think the birth tourism was reaching crisis levels in Saipan; but TFA has a chart showing 582 births by tourists in 2018.

Heck, looks like even Trump's businesses are happy to oblige if the price is right.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by slinches on Friday January 17 2020, @07:08PM (7 children)

    by slinches (5049) on Friday January 17 2020, @07:08PM (#944671)

    Because those states (along with 48 others) have agreed to share enough common legal structure and government to allow that. Open borders without a voluntarily agreed to system of governance would be chaos.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by ikanreed on Friday January 17 2020, @08:25PM (6 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 17 2020, @08:25PM (#944701) Journal

    I submit that that is vague enough to be useless.

    • (Score: 2) by slinches on Friday January 17 2020, @08:46PM (5 children)

      by slinches (5049) on Friday January 17 2020, @08:46PM (#944717)

      Okay ... if that's too vague, then so is the whole concept of open borders.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by ikanreed on Friday January 17 2020, @09:03PM

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 17 2020, @09:03PM (#944720) Journal

        It's fairly specific, the laws surrounding excessive and totalitarian policing of people crossing imaginary lines is just as amoral as totalitarian policing within those lines.

        Now, I may have a bit of a convert's zeal here. I wasn't particular interested, specifically, in open borders, until the concentration camps. That's definitely what crossed the line to "oh these people have no limits and need to be stopped and nothing they say is of any value to anyone"

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @10:01PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 17 2020, @10:01PM (#944755)

        Okay ... if that's too vague, then so is the whole concept of open borders.

        Yes. it is. What does "Open borders" mean? The only folks I've ever heard talking about such a thing are those who are against "open borders."

        In the EU and the US, there is freedom of movement between internal states. I imagine that's true in Australia and some other places too. Is that what you mean by "open borders?" No? I don't think you do.

        However, I've *never* heard anyone call for "open" borders between nations. As such, the vagueness stems from the fact that it's a straw man, given that no one actually supports such a thing.

        Have fun knocking it down.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:12AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:12AM (#944900) Journal

          However, I've *never* heard anyone call for "open" borders between nations.

          See also Schengen agreement. Since 1985.
          Some say Brexit is caused by its consequences.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:22AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:22AM (#944903)

            See also Schengen agreement. Since 1985.
            Some say Brexit is caused by its consequences.

            Gosh. I should have mentioned the EU (which is what the Schengen Agreement was about) in my post.

            Oh, wait. I did.

            What's more, the UK is not, and never has been, party to the Schengen Convention [wikipedia.org]. As such, the Schengen Convention is irrelevant to the UK or Brexit.

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:38AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 18 2020, @07:38AM (#944907) Journal

              Oh, wait. I did.

              No, you didn't. If you indeed wanted to mean "countries of Europe are states", based on the fact that each country in Europe is a nation, then your comment is self-contradictory once you wrote

              However, I've *never* heard anyone call for "open" borders between nations.

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