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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday January 29 2020, @06:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the gotta-drain-it-then dept.

Red Sea huge source of air pollution, greenhouse gases: study:

Hydrocarbon gases bubbling from the bottom of the Red Sea are polluting the atmosphere at a rate equivalent to the emissions of some large fossil fuel exporting countries, researchers said Tuesday.

The gases seeping from the waters—which are ringed by the resorts and ports of several countries, including Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia—then mix with emissions from industrial shipping and turned into noxious pollutants that are very harmful to human health.

The Middle East holds more than half of the world's oil and gas reserves[. The intense] fossil fuel exploitation that takes place there [means] the region releases enormous amounts of gaseous pollutants into the atmosphere.

But during a 2017 expedition around the Gulf, researchers at the Max Plank Institute for Chemistry noticed that levels of ethane and propane in the air above the Northern Red Sea were up to 40 times higher than predicted, even accounting for regional manmade emissions.

The team analysed possible sources for the gas emissions, including traffic, agriculture, burning of biomass, and power generation from hydrocarbons.

They came to an unexpected conclusion: the two gases had to be seeping out of the sea bed after escaping natural subterranean oil and gas reservoirs.

They were then carried by currents to the surface, where they mix with another greenhouse gas, nitrous oxide, which is emitted in high amounts by industrial shipping.

The resulting gas compounds are extremely harmful to human health, according to the team's study, published in Nature Communications.

Journal Reference:
Bourtsoukidis, E., Pozzer, A., Sattler, T. et al. The Red Sea Deep Water is a potent source of atmospheric ethane and propane. Nat Commun 11, 447 (2020). doi.org/10.1038/s41467-020-14375-0, www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-14375-0


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by corey on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:45PM (14 children)

    by corey (2202) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:45PM (#950834)

    Let's get the oil companies to pay for cleaning it up. It's their cost. Unfortunately we operate on an economic model which allows for environmental impacts to be ignored and others pay for it. Externalised costs. Is time we pulled our thumb out.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @08:49PM (#950839)

    The oil companies buy it from the rich Arabs. They should pay for it.

  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:35PM (5 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @09:35PM (#950857)

    Can we cut the taxpayer subsidies going to the oil companies too while we're at it?

    Oh, no, of course we can't, because of how much lobbying money flows from the oil companies to government officials. Funny how that works.

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    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:27PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:27PM (#950904)

      and see how many your "green" comrades switch colors as soon as siphoned-off money stopped coming.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 30 2020, @11:34AM (3 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 30 2020, @11:34AM (#951139) Journal

      I wonder if that isn't shifting, though, because alternative energy has been winning friends and fans in places that would have been unexpected a couple decades ago. Wind farms have been bringing new revenue and people to the high plains for the first time in a hundred years. There are towns that were dying out in Kansas and Nebraska, which have new families moving in to work on the big turbines. That has to be winning them political support.

      Also, Tesla is selling every vehicle it makes, with much more pent up demand to work through, and every other car maker is running to catch up in the shift to EVs. I think when more regular people have first hand experience with the renewable energy revolution, it wins hearts and minds.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:45PM (2 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:45PM (#951178)

        You're underestimating how much people are susceptible to propaganda. For instance, there are people in my area that specifically are driving around nasty diesel trucks far bigger than they need to carry anything expressing attitudes that amount to "All the concerns about the environment and oil supply are a liberal conspiracy, and I burn oil on purpose to stick it to the libs." My state government, elected by these sorts, recently cut renewable power programs so they could keep coal, oil, and nuke power plants running, then claimed that anybody backing renewable power was intending to give control of the US power grid to China.

        The really strange part is that there are people that have directly experienced the damage of existing policies, and still oppose changing them because they want to pwn the libs. These are people that will opt for suffering and death over admitting that someone like Barack Obama might have been right about anything.

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        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:14PM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:14PM (#951199) Journal

          That's something that cuts both ways, though. How many people are switching to solar and EVs to stick it to Trump? I'm happy if they are, because whatever their motives they will drive economies of scale that will make switching to renewables the financially smart play. Then everyone will jump over, because economics beat ideology almost every time in at least the medium term.

          I don't know how many people are choosing to burn more diesel, etc to stick it to the libs, honestly, though. Conservatives do mock climate change, but few of them mock wind, solar, and electric cars. They especially don't mock the last one because now that they're more commonly seen on our roads they are impressed with how they can blow the doors off the BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis of the world; it's a grudging admission, but an admission nonetheless.

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          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:34PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:34PM (#951205)

            I can report that the enviro-hippie types I know are motivated far more by "If we don't do something, science says we're all dead." And they're pretty cynical about the odds that the US government will do anything to save us, because the Republicans definitely don't want to (again, admitting that they might be wrong is a problem) and the Democrats probably don't want to (it would be short-term bad for the stock market and thus their biggest donors).

            And the more realistic ones know that right now it's a question of "Is everybody boned, or is almost everybody boned?"

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:18PM (6 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday January 29 2020, @10:18PM (#950877) Journal

    I agree with you in general but in this case these are natural seeps, FTA:

    They came to an unexpected conclusion: the two gases had to be seeping out of the sea bed after escaping natural subterranean oil and gas reservoirs.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:41PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 29 2020, @11:41PM (#950906)

      Makes me wonder if all the oil drilling in that area has caused some serious shifting underground, possibly helping gas pockets make their way to the surface.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:26AM (3 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday January 30 2020, @12:26AM (#950919) Homepage Journal

        Heh, nice. I knew before I even finished reading TFS that some nimrod would try to find a way to blame it on people.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:20AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @03:20AM (#951008)

          "They came to an unexpected conclusion: the two gases had to be seeping out of the sea bed after escaping natural subterranean oil and gas reservoirs."

          So humans pumping out subterranean oil and gas reservoirs couldn't possibly have any bearing on their conclusion?

          Are you a professional idiot? Maybe collecting a check for a few hundred bucks a month to spread online dissent for oil companies? Wouldn't surprise me, corporate welfare seems like your kinda gig.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @10:15AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @10:15AM (#951121)

            He's often a professional idiot, but in this case he's not wrong. You have to think *how* oil and gas fields are formed. They are only formed in special places where you can cap and trap the biological goo. In most of the rest of the places, it escapes up and out through the sea floor and other places.

            This has little to do with humans.

            What people have to do with it is our own pollution in the area is causing these emissions to interact resulting in nastier toxins. But we are not causing these emissions in the first place.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @12:08AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @12:08AM (#951492)

              You don't know that, he doesn't know that, and I don't know that.

              His response to "Makes me wonder if" is to shut down that line of inquiry without a second thought. As a more useful comment pointed out it could be that the oil fields would absorb a lot of these emissions but they have been reduced.

              There could be underground collapses that cause geological shifts and open up pathways.

              Then again this could be simply a natural process unaffected by any human activity. I wasn't stating it must be one way or another. I shouldn't expect someone like The Mighty Buzzard to have an open mind that can consider alternate hypotheses once he has formed an opinion.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 30 2020, @02:04AM (#950958)

        It's much more likely that all the oil extraction has reduced the natural seeps. Any oilfield where you have gushers, all it would take is one crack reaching to the reservoir and the stuff will come out.