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posted by janrinok on Friday January 31 2020, @04:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the picking-holes dept.

Source: Technology Review

A new study [PDF] suggests what we've suspected for years is right: YouTube is a pipeline for extremism and hate.

How do we know that? More than 330,000 videos on nearly 350 YouTube channels were analyzed and manually classified according to a system designed by the Anti-Defamation League. They were labeled as either media (or what we think of as factual news), "alt-lite" intellectual dark web, or alt-right.

[...] The alt-right is what's traditionally associated with white supremacy, pushing for a white ethnostate. Those who affiliate with the "intellectual dark web" justify white supremacy on the basis of eugenics and "race science." Members of the alt-lite purport to not support white supremacy, though they believe in conspiracy theories about "replacement" by minority groups.

[...] The study's authors hypothesized that the alt-lite and intellectual dark web often serve as a gateway to more extreme, far-right ideologies. So they tested that by tracing the authors of 72 million comments on about two million videos between May and July of last year. The results were worrying. More than 26% of people who commented on alt-lite videos tended to drift over to alt-right videos and subsequently comment there.

[...] The team, from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne, also found evidence that the overlap between alt-righters and others who dabble in intellectual dark web and alt-lite material is growing. The authors estimate that about 60,000 people who commented on alt-lite or intellectual dark web content got exposed to alt-right videos over a period of about 18 months. The work was presented at the 2020 Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency in Barcelona this week.

In a statement, YouTube said it's working through these issues: "Over the past few years ... We changed our search and discovery algorithms to ensure more authoritative content is surfaced and labeled prominently in search results and recommendations and begun reducing recommendations of borderline content and videos that could misinform users in harmful ways."

A spokesperson added that YouTube disputes the methodology and that it doesn't take into account more recent updates to its hate speech policy or recommendations. "We strongly disagree with the methodology, data and, most importantly, the conclusions made in this new research," the spokesperson said.


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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 31 2020, @05:36PM (24 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 31 2020, @05:36PM (#951845) Journal

    First off - you reference the ADL, mentioning that this study was "designed by" the ADL. But, with the PDF open on one monitor, I'm searching for ADL and Anti Defamation and similar terms. Nothing. So, uhhhh, the ADL designed some kind of study, then allowed someone to use the study, without so much as saying "Thank You ADL" in the study?

    I ask, because ADFL has a lot more credibility than posers such as SPLC. In fact, the ADL has shot down recent attempts to make the "OK" sign a racist thing.

    Is there a link to the original PDF? The link you offered is 11 pages. Just 11 pages, but the list of citations is on page 141. That seems to mean that 130 pages were redacted from the PDF. That is, we get less than 10% of the PDF, and we're just told what the PDF actually means. I suppose with the state of scientific studies and papers, we should just accept that as the norm.

    I do kinda like that term, "contrarians". I could be a contrarian. I have no use for alt-right, or alt-lite. Silly terms with little if any real meaning. Contrarian, though, feels comfortable, somehow. I don't like where the batfuck crazy left wants to go, and being contrary seems a good thing.

    Seriously though. Where is the rest of the PDF? Does anyone know? Can we call witnesses? No witnesses, huh? Is that the way an impeachment is supposed to be done? Oh - wait - sorry, I'm confusing politics with the new globalist religion - or - or - or something.

    Oh. One more question. That "radicalization" schtick? Are they counting Arabic, Islamic, ISIS/DAESH radicals as part of this phantom alt-right? As I understand it, there is a LOT OF that type of radicalization on the various social medias.

    Paul Harvey and I both want 'THE REST OF THE STORY'.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @05:52PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @05:52PM (#951855)

    "Are they counting Arabic, Islamic, ISIS/DAESH radicals as part of this phantom alt-right?"

    If you're going to ignore reality you should at least remain consistent. Trying to spread the blame around to the typical ME boogey men makes you look weak, like an uncooked pancake.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday January 31 2020, @06:05PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 31 2020, @06:05PM (#951867) Journal

      Maybe you missed a lot of the news in recent years? ISIS/DAESH was recruiting idiots from Europe, the US, Canada, Asia - from around the world. There was a LOT of radicalization going on, maybe right next door to you, in your own neighborhood. Consistency? Let us be consistent by all means. Radicalization, wherever we find it. So, I ask again, did they lump all that under "alr-right"?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @07:33PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @07:33PM (#951911)

        They should, the two groups are more similar than different, but that begs the question: did you even RTFA?

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday January 31 2020, @11:39PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday January 31 2020, @11:39PM (#952054) Journal

        Let's see...really, the only thing that differs is what name they call God by, if you think about it. Bunch of young, angry, disenfranchised men being targeted and radicalized...yup, it checks out.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Friday January 31 2020, @06:24PM (1 child)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday January 31 2020, @06:24PM (#951877) Journal

    First off - you reference the ADL, mentioning that this study was "designed by" the ADL. But, with the PDF open on one monitor, I'm searching for ADL and Anti Defamation and similar terms. Nothing.

    Nowhere does the summary claim that the study was designed by the ADL. Instead it says that the classification they used was designed by the ADL. And the paper indeed cites ADL for those definitions (see reference [3]; if you can't find any reference to ADL in the paper, you did something wrong in your search).

    That seems to mean that 130 pages were redacted from the PDF.

    If you look at the bottom of each page, you'll find the page numbers there (the actual page numbers, not the PDF sequence number). The first page of the paper is page 131.

    What does that mean? Well,simple: The paper started on page 131 of the proceedings (I assume that is was a proceedings because the text in the headline of the subsequent pages, having a specific date range and location, looks very much like specifying a conference). Before that (and likely after that) there were other articles, written by other people, which were in no way related to this one other than that they were presented on the same conference.

    Sorry to bust your conspiracy theory.

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    The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @08:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @08:06PM (#951930)

      Runaway has, um, issues. Intelligence issues. Does not understand academic formats, is triggered by acronyms. Poor Runaway.

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday January 31 2020, @06:49PM (16 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday January 31 2020, @06:49PM (#951889) Journal

    Oh. One more question. That "radicalization" schtick? Are they counting Arabic, Islamic, ISIS/DAESH radicals as part of this phantom alt-right? As I understand it, there is a LOT OF that type of radicalization on the various social medias.

    They are hopeless depressed people that are offered big money and benefits. Whitey does it for free, out of pure antipathy, which is being easily exploited right now by your politicians in their cakewalk to another reelection.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday January 31 2020, @07:58PM (15 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Friday January 31 2020, @07:58PM (#951928)

      One big difference between white nationalists and Muslim radicals is how the US government responds to them:
      - Somebody involved in the likes of Al Qaida or Daesh: killed both the person and his children with drone strikes [theintercept.com].
      - Somebody involved in white nationalism: invited to work in the White House as a senior policy advisor focusing on immigration [npr.org].

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      The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday January 31 2020, @08:09PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday January 31 2020, @08:09PM (#951934) Journal

        The government is led by a whitey. They gotta stick together

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        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday January 31 2020, @09:43PM

        by Bot (3902) on Friday January 31 2020, @09:43PM (#951983) Journal

        You might not be familiar with Alessandro Orsini and his book ISIS the luckiest terrorists ever "I terroristi piĆ¹ fortunati del mondo" https://youtu.be/vIh4hXa1k4Y [youtu.be]
        Even the killing of soleimani avenges them. Much like Italian commie terrorists all found a work inthe public sector afterwards.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 01 2020, @01:51PM (12 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 01 2020, @01:51PM (#952322) Journal
        Another big difference is what they do. The "somebody involved with Al Qaeda/Daesh was actively fighting the US and kept their kids near military targets. The "somebody involved in white nationalism" was a communications director for several US politicians. Sorry, I get that communications directors are very scary people, but it remains that one was betraying his country, putting his kids in harm's way, and you know, deserving that air strike while the other wasn't.

        And if we really don't care what people do, then why do we care that someone is fighting on the wrong side or "involved in white nationalism"?
        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday February 01 2020, @05:18PM

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday February 01 2020, @05:18PM (#952400) Journal

          but it remains that one was betraying his country, putting his kids in harm's way, and you know, deserving that air strike

          Khallow, are you calling for an air strike on Steven Miller?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Saturday February 01 2020, @09:23PM (10 children)

          by Thexalon (636) on Saturday February 01 2020, @09:23PM (#952505)

          The "somebody involved in white nationalism" is the guy who by all accounts was responsible for creating the policy of taking children who had been dragged across an imaginary line in a desert from their parents and imprisoning them in a direct violation of the Geneva Conventions. And in those prisons, these children are being raped [theguardian.com], tortured [nymag.com], starved [nytimes.com], and sometimes killed [aclu.org].

          Make no mistake: Just because the guy didn't do any of his own dirty work does not mean he's not a monster.

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          The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday February 02 2020, @12:13AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday February 02 2020, @12:13AM (#952557) Journal

            By Hallow's logic, if someone hires a hitman to kill him, the guy doing the hiring has clean hands. This man is a complete moral nullity. I don't understand why we (myself included) even give him the time of day any longer.

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            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 02 2020, @06:46AM (8 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 02 2020, @06:46AM (#952650) Journal
            In light of this new information, I can't say whether this Miller guy is more or less worthy of an air strike. Depends how much of those allegations are true, I suppose. But it's not his alleged involvement in white nationalism that's the great evil.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 02 2020, @06:17PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 02 2020, @06:17PM (#952777)

              "this Miller guy" as if he has no idea who it is.

              What weird shit, the disavowments seem to have started, and it is mimicking Trump's methods. "I never knew the guy, never met him."

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 02 2020, @10:04PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 02 2020, @10:04PM (#952882) Journal

                "this Miller guy" as if he has no idea who it is.

                I glanced at the Wikipedia page.

                What weird shit, the disavowments seem to have started, and it is mimicking Trump's methods. "I never knew the guy, never met him."

                Because everyone else must obsess over the make up of the Trump administration as much as you?

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 02 2020, @10:08PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 02 2020, @10:08PM (#952886) Journal

                What weird shit, the disavowments seem to have started

                What's weird about it? Is there some reason I shouldn't disavow this guy? You approve of his strategies for dealing with illegal immigration perhaps?

            • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday February 03 2020, @04:19PM (4 children)

              by Thexalon (636) on Monday February 03 2020, @04:19PM (#953170)

              So your argument amounts to: "Yes, a bunch of people associated with white nationalism did despicable things, and yes those things they did were by their own account motivated by white nationalism, and other leaders in white nationalism have said nothing that gives the impression that they disagree with those actions any more strongly than thinking them to be a bit naughty or counterproductive to the movement, but no, white nationalism isn't a problem."

              Now, you might be thinking "But that's unfair! I didn't do those things. I've never shot anybody, or beaten them for being brown, or anything like that. Why am I being blamed as a white nationalist for the actions of other white nationalists?" But your ideology is all about how the actions of, say, MS-13, reflect on all Hispanic people regardless of whether they had anything at all to do with MS-13, and that justifies treating Hispanic people as "inferior" or at least people that you want to keep out of your community. You can't have collective responsibility for other kinds of people while demanding individual responsibility only for your kind of people - especially when you choose to be a white nationalist, while a Hispanic kid didn't choose to be a Hispanic kid.

              Now, if you really find Stephen Miller's actions to be worthy of a death sentence, I'd expect you at the very least to do your best to ensure that he no longer works in the White House, by, for instance, voting in a different person to be in charge of the White House. But I highly doubt you're going to do that.

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              The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
              • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:28AM (2 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:28AM (#953492) Journal

                I am proud to see this thread under the heading of my name, calling out the racist collaborator khallow, and his pretended ignorance of who is in Trump's administration and who is driving the racist anti-immigration policies. Stephen Miller [theguardian.com] is a Jewish White Supremacist, the kind of monster that only American could produce, and only khallow could pretend to be ignorant of. There is petition to fire him [change.org] and everything! The only way you could not know this, khallow, is if you are lying, arguing in bad faith, feigning ignorance for rhetorical effect, and overall being a Republican. Not just Deplorable, but also Despicable.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 04 2020, @05:46PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 04 2020, @05:46PM (#953668) Journal

                Now, you might be thinking "But that's unfair! I didn't do those things. I've never shot anybody, or beaten them for being brown, or anything like that. Why am I being blamed as a white nationalist for the actions of other white nationalists?" But your ideology is all about how the actions of, say, MS-13, reflect on all Hispanic people regardless of whether they had anything at all to do with MS-13, and that justifies treating Hispanic people as "inferior" or at least people that you want to keep out of your community. You can't have collective responsibility for other kinds of people while demanding individual responsibility only for your kind of people - especially when you choose to be a white nationalist, while a Hispanic kid didn't choose to be a Hispanic kid.

                Now, what I'm actually thinking is that you're part of the problem. You're too busy two minute hating to even bother to care what my ideology is.

                My take here is that it's about actions not beliefs. Someone who's fighting the US or someone who's unlawfully imprisoning people in the US, those are actions. Belief in ISIS or white nationalist ideas is not.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @07:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 31 2020, @07:55PM (#951926)

    Is there a link to the original PDF? The link you offered is 11 pages. Just 11 pages, but the list of citations is on page 141. That seems to mean that 130 pages were redacted from the PDF. That is, we get less than 10% of the PDF, and we're just told what the PDF actually means. I suppose with the state of scientific studies and papers, we should just accept that as the norm.

    Let me help you out. The referenced article/paper starts on page 131 of a larger publication. That publication is a collection of papers, much like a magazine that has more than one article in it. The other papers within that publication are almost certainly unrelated to the cited paper.

    There you go, problem solved. I checked with Paul Harvey via seance and he was good with that explanation