Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

posted by janrinok on Tuesday February 25 2020, @02:34PM   Printer-friendly

Found in The Local.de:

Several people were injured Monday when a car drove into a carnival procession in the central German town of Volkmarsen, police said. "There are dozens of injured, including some who are gravely hurt," a spokeswoman for Volkmarsen police told AFP.

Speaking to DPA news agency, a police spokesman added that children were among the injured. The driver has been arrested.

Germany is on high alert following a shooting spree by a far-right gunman in the city of Hanau, also in Hesse, last Wednesday, that left 10 people dead.

Monday's incident took place as residents in many parts of the country celebrate Rose Monday, a highlight of annual carnival festivities that sees adults and children alike dress up and attend parades where people play music and throw candies from floats.

According to the Daily Mail

Police in Germany have tonight searched the home of a driver who deliberately drove a car into crowds at a German Carnival parade on Monday afternoon.

Special police officers dressed in all black with protective gear were seen entering the property of the 29-year-old who has been arrested for attempted murder after he ploughed his Mercedes into the carnival crowd packed with children.

30 people were injured following the incident and forensic officers have now set up a cordon around the car, with pictures showing several officers examining the silver vehicle.

The driver, a 29-year-old German citizen, mounted the pavement in the town of Volkmarsen, 15 miles west of Kassel, around 2.30pm on Monday before ploughing into families that had turned out for the festivities.

Police arrested the driver at the scene. While officers could not disclose a motive for the attack, local media reported that investigators are working on the assumption that it was deliberate and that investigators were looking into all possibilities.

German police say he is being treated by doctors due to injuries he suffered in the incident, and prosecutors [say] he now faces charges of attempted homicide. Reports suggest he was from the local area and had no history of political extremism.


Original Submission

 
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @02:49PM (71 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @02:49PM (#962379)

    For readers in USA, a couple of comments:

        UK "pavement" = USA "sidewalk"
        Germany "Mercedes" ~~ USA "Buick" (USA marketing of Mercedes is very much high end, a luxury car)

    And one personal comment -- if we can't agree on "Right" and "Left", can we possibly agree that fanatics of any flavor are a problem for civil society? Reactionary and Radical actors both cause trouble.

    Starting Score:    0  points
    Moderation   +4  
       Insightful=1, Informative=3, Total=4
    Extra 'Informative' Modifier   0  

    Total Score:   4  
  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:20PM (1 child)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:20PM (#962384) Journal

    FWIW I think more americans know Mercedes as a brand than buick.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:49PM (#962401)

      Exactly. In Europe, Mercedes is just another brand, often used for taxicabs.

  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:41PM (33 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:41PM (#962395)

    Another important one that adds context:

    "German citizen" = recent immigrant, not of German decent

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:56PM (13 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:56PM (#962405) Journal

      I suspect that might be the case here. I was curious, so I did a search for an image of the attacker, or any information on him. DDG gave me a reddit link, saying much the same as you have just posted here. The reddit page was loading - then it vanished, and I got a cute 404 page, "The page you were looking for does not exist".

      Lo and behold, I look back at DDG, to open the link again, the link isn't there.

      The censors are on top of this on!!

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:50PM (3 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:50PM (#962513) Journal

        The end move in politics is to censor the internet to have the right facts.

        --
        To transfer files: right-click on file, pick Copy. Unplug mouse, plug mouse into other computer. Right-click, paste.
        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:36PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:36PM (#962587)

          No dude, the end move in politics is to flood the internet with bullshit and then cry censorship when lies aren't given the same privilege as facts.

          Your boy bannon confessed to it. [bloomberg.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:49AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:49AM (#962764)

            Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim, at first, before they found him , and determined that all the fuck-faced Islamophobes got it wrong, much as they are doing in this thread. White people are the real threat, angry, prostate-inflamed, next to death, white people. Well, fuck them, and I can only hope they die off soon, before they give us another Donald J Trumpf. Come on, old Fox Viewers! Die for your country! Uncle Sam wants you, Soylent or not!

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday February 26 2020, @03:34PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @03:34PM (#962892) Journal

            Doesn't your post simply restate what I said?

            However, Steve Bannon certainly isn't "my" boy.

            --
            To transfer files: right-click on file, pick Copy. Unplug mouse, plug mouse into other computer. Right-click, paste.
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:32PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:32PM (#962585)

        Ermigad!!! Reddit moderators deleted a post based completely on made up wishcasting. Censorship!!!!

        But hey, if someone says it on teh intertubes it must be true, right?

        Your idiocy is showing. But then again, it always does, you fucking boot.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:36AM (6 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:36AM (#962627) Journal

          No, it is your own idiocy. Your post indicates that you accept that a post on reddit disappeared within several seconds of my having found it. Your post also indicates that the link to that post disappeared off of DDG in the same time frame. So, you accept that the Gatekeepers have cleaned up the internet, right before my eyes.

          And, you have no problem with that?

          Maybe I'll change my nick to Jumpin Jack Flash. Did you watch the movie with Whoopi Goldberg? Maybe you should. Data disappears faster than data can be copied, in the movie.

          I really don't know whether the perpetrator is a real German, or if he's an "immigrant", or he's a second, third, or fourth generation "immigrant" to Germany. But, the censors are actively suppressing any hint that he may not be a real Euro.

          And, half of us think that is just fine.

          Wait until the censorship whip is in the other hand. You have heard of McCarthy, right?

          HINT: I won't be any fucking happier when the Republican right is holding that whip, than when the Ctrl-Left is holding it.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:41AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:41AM (#962628)

            No, own idiocy. . . right before my eyes.

            And, you have no problem . . .

            I really don't know.....

            And, half of us think ....

            Wait... the censorship... is in the ... hand. You have heard of McCarthy aristarchus, right?

            FTFY, Short Version.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:41AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:41AM (#962643)

            > Your post indicates that you accept that a post on reddit disappeared within several seconds of my having found it. Your post also indicates that the link to that post disappeared off of DDG in the same time frame.

            I took you at your word and now you are disputing your own claims? WTF man? Were you lying and none of that happened?

            > But, the censors are actively suppressing any hint that he may not be a real Euro.

            "the censors" You fuckbrains are always triggered about conspiracies. You just practically admitted you made the whole thing up. I guess you made up the evil cabal of censors too.

            Fucking dumbass boot.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:52AM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:52AM (#962659) Journal

              Nice spin, spin doctor!

              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:36AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:36AM (#962690)

                Lolwut? Every one of your posts is just you wanking it to fascism fantasies.

                • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:43AM (1 child)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:43AM (#962694) Journal

                  What a dumbass you are. While you stroke your ego that some "alt-righter" is upset over censorship - you neglect that one day the censorship will be controlled by the other side. Or a third side who wants to silence both you and me. Idiot. You're on Soylentnews here. What part of "censorship is bad" have you failed to understand?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:54AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:54AM (#962765)

                    Fuck you, Runaway, and let me repeat that for all Soylentils: Fuck you and the Russian Bot you rode in on! You contribute nothing to this site, you are a douche, and the fact that you got banned from every place else on the internets, and can only post here, is a shame for both you and SoylentNews. Do the right thing, Runaway, shut up. If you have to use your new .22 and eat a bullet, for you to shut up on SoylentNews, well, just let me say, you are not MDC, Runaway! At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency? Have you no sense of shame?

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:35AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:35AM (#962740)

        I also was curious. I can find no evidence that the attacker in this atrocity was not our own Runaway1234, in fact, his posts here suggest that it was Runaway. Of course, none of the mainstream Media, or the Traitor Network Fox, is going to report the truth in this case, that a radicalized uneducated ex-truck-driver hillbilly from Arkanasaws is the killer, or attempted killer (more evidence, Runaway never seems to be able to complete what he promises, despite being an Oaf Keebler), who went to Germany solely to false flag a Islamophobic interpretation to a run-of-the-mill incel attack. I can find no evidence that this is not the case, so I am standing by my opinion that it was Runaway behind the wheel. Matches his commercial driving record!

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:13PM (3 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:13PM (#962413) Homepage

      It's not an Aristarchus sub unless the words "White Supremacist" are in there somewhere. Still, how many attacks are perpetrated by Whites compared to Islamic Savages?

      Deutsches Vaterland! Heil Hitlah! 14/88 109/110 C-3PO R2D2!

      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:45PM

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:45PM (#962454) Journal
        Skin colour is irrelevant. First, try to define "white". Ask 10 people, get 11 answers, same as if you ask a group of lawyers a question. Each case needs to be examined individually because no two are alike , even for hate crimes.
        --
        SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:17AM (#962622)

        Just remember, Donald J. Trump is the choice candidate for the most brutal supporters of Islamic Terrorism https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/report-saudis-uae-funnelled-millions-trump-2016-campaign-200225162254067.html [aljazeera.com]

        I love the irony, sadly your brain is so broken you'll find worm your way into supporting Trump without the slightest hint of irony. It is like the superpower of stupid people.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:39AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:39AM (#962741)

        Just the username "Ethanol_fueled" is enough to disprove White Supremacism. Whites cannot be superior, if one so stupid be one of them. Ethanol_fueled, in order to save white supremacy, you have to out yourself as "non-white"! Only way to do it. If you are white, then white people be too dumb to be superior. Simple logic. Fess up, Eth!

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:47PM (14 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:47PM (#962431) Journal

      Eighteen of those hurt in Monday's incident are children. In total 35 people remain in hospital.

      You guys aren't happy unless you can make this a racist issue, are you? 18 children - what political views do you think they hold?

      Police said they believed it was an attack but that there was no indication of a political motive, according to Bild newspaper. - BBC [bbc.com]

      But, of course, you believe you know more than the local LE on the ground.

      Steffen Roettger said his two daughters were at the parade and called him after the incident happened. "My 10-year-old was pulled aside and only narrowly avoided being hit," he told broadcaster - NTV

      Steffen Roettger - now there is a good Muslim name, or perhaps you think he was Turkish? Get your heads from up your asses and try using some intelligent thinking.

      It might turn out that this was a political attack but, without facts, all you are doing is stirring up unrest.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:41PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:41PM (#962453)

        But, of course, you believe you know more than the local LE on the ground.

        No, I suspect local LE on the ground politically aren't allowed to talk about what they know.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:50PM (6 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:50PM (#962457) Journal

          So we are better off making stuff up?

          "German citizen" = recent immigrant, not of German decent

          Absolutely nothing to support this statement.

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:34PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:34PM (#962473)

            except for the fact that the "news" is saying "German citizen" and not showing a picture of the suspect, which many times means "Muslim given citizenship foolishly/maliciously". Otherwise why are they choosing "German citizen" as the lone detail to provide? It's possible that they are just being responsible in the details they give out, but if they are anything like the US, they are doing it for propaganda purposes/full of shit. Furthermore, if the suspect were white/ethnic German the "news" would probably be plastering his face all over the place to bolster their right wing terror/hate narrative.

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by quietus on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:49PM (2 children)

              by quietus (6328) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:49PM (#962484) Journal

              They're legally restricted probably -- the full name of a suspect is not allowed to be reported, for instance, during trial (only the first name), until verdict has been made. To illustrate: a big row (in Belgium) a couple of years ago when a serial killer (white, native Belgian) was captured and his picture was published after a couple of days, when he was still being interrogated. I think this is because cases like these still have to be judged by a people's jury, and publishing [selective] personal info about him might/will influence potential jurors in a high-profile case (like this one).

              • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:28PM (1 child)

                by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:28PM (#962557)

                Not only could they legally restricted, they could also consider it bad practice to highlight the details of the perpetrator, on the grounds that it might encourage other people to do similar things to make themselves famous. Sorta like how a guy shot Ronald Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodi Foster (she wasn't impressed).

                Here's what I know about the perp: Whoever it is, they're a terrible human being and deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Anything beyond that would be speculation at this point.

                --
                The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
                • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:10PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:10PM (#962579)

                  Sorta like how a guy shot Ronald Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodi Foster (she wasn't impressed).

                  Says you. If Jodie wasn't a rug muncher [wiktionary.org], she'd probably be polishing Hinckley's knob [urbandictionary.com] to this day.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:39PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:39PM (#962476)

            Yes, but the way things get reported nowadays, a term like "German citizen" has zero meaning. Could be a 1000th generation local or post-WW2 migrants, an ex-gastarbeider or any of 200 more categories. This nebulous reporting then lets loose the dogs of speculation. Just like in some countries where race is a sensitive issue - "five men in robbed a gas station, please help the police find them, they had on jeans and a shirt with writing." Ok, are they grey aliens, black, white, asian, caucasian - we are told nothing. Because the beigeists have PC-ed the world into submission. Eventually the truth will come out in this case and we will have one of the radical ends of the rope - a neo-propeller or a raghead. Mercedes, they are like water in Germany, most popular brand for taxis.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:03PM (#962575)

              Fine. It was an "Asian".
              Happy now?

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @06:37PM (#962475)

        Ethnic Germans should not be "at rest" in regards to the desert monkeys being brought in to ruin the country, and breed them out of existence.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:23PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @09:23PM (#962555)

        So why is it that when this kind of thing happens in the US, it is ok to speculate on the political motives or comment on the gun culture, or whatever, but when it happens in the EU, it is all "let's just wait until all the facts come out before jumping to conclusions"?

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Wednesday February 26 2020, @04:02AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @04:02AM (#962715) Journal

          So why is it that when this kind of thing happens in the US, it is ok to speculate on the political motives or comment on the gun culture

          I don't speculate unless I make it very clear that that is exactly what I am doing - you'll probably find it is the same people speculating on events in the US as are on this thread doing the same thing here. Some of our community want to make it a racist issue, or blame the gun culture. That is their view of the world. I would much rather wait until we have the facts available.

      • (Score: 2, Troll) by driverless on Wednesday February 26 2020, @04:48AM (2 children)

        by driverless (4770) on Wednesday February 26 2020, @04:48AM (#962722)

        From the news stories (in German) it was apolitical. The police said:

        Der Fahrer des Autos war nach ersten Erkenntnissen den Behörden nicht als Extremist bekannt. Allerdings war er der Polizei wegen Beleidigung, Hausfriedensbruchs und Nötigung aufgefallen.

        For those who don't speak French, it's saying that it wasn't an extremist, but he had a record of aggressive behaviour, threats, insults, etc.

        Oh yeah, for those who are assuming he's $insert-racial-predjucide-here, his name has been released as Maurice P, standard practice in Germany to keep the surname as only the first letter when reporting on crimes. So obviously a muslim/black/whatever your racial bias is. Definitely not a plain european German with a history of violence.

        And if anyone says otherwise, it's because they're part of the MSM/deep state/censors/fake news. Geeze, I can't believe the bullshit people talk themselves into believing, anything as long as it's not the simple, obvious truth.

        • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:38PM (1 child)

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:38PM (#962998) Journal

          his name has been released as Maurice P, standard practice in Germany to keep the surname as only the first letter when reporting on crimes. So obviously a muslim/black/whatever your racial bias is.

          Well, Maurice is a French first name. Thus blame the French! ;-)

          --
          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
          • (Score: 2) by driverless on Wednesday February 26 2020, @11:49PM

            by driverless (4770) on Wednesday February 26 2020, @11:49PM (#963222)

            Actually that makes sense, if he was supposed to be Sepp Oberhumer and ended up being called Maurice I can see that he'd have anger problems.

            And for whoever modded my post Troll, everything I said there was quoting various predjudiced comments made earlier in the thread. If my mere quoting of them is a Troll, what does that make the originals?

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:45PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:45PM (#962398)

    The right's teenage climate girl is cooler than the lefts: https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/anti-greta-thunberg-naomi-seibt/ [dailydot.com]

    I say we should do what she says.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:58PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:58PM (#962407)

      Naomi Seibt is sexy. That's all that matters.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:13PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:13PM (#962414)

        good grief what's up with her face

        • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:41PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:41PM (#962427)

          Naomi? She has a face. Saint Greta only has a grimace.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:59PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:59PM (#962408) Journal

      Saint Greta asks, "HOW DARE SHE?"

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:09PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:09PM (#963157)

        If it weren't so childish a vile then the amount you're triggered by Greta would be hilarious. It is still quite amusing, then I realize that you're supposedly a mature adult who flips out every time she or climate change come up.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:26PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:26PM (#963175) Journal

          I kinda hate to use the word, due to our Hudson, who imagines that he creates them - but it's a fekkin' meme. Libbies almost worship Saint Greta, someone dubbed her St. Greta, and some libbies flipped out over it. So - St. Greta the Grumpy. And, HOW DARE YOU!!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:51PM (5 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:51PM (#962434) Journal

      Am I the only one that finds the whole Greta vs Seibt thing creepy? Neither of them can possibly have a real grasp of the situation. Yet, Greta was allowed to speak at a UN meeting and chastise them. I mean, come on. If I want random kid's opinions, I'll just ask the ones I know. Seems to be super irresponsible and much more of a seen it on Facebook kinda thing.

      --
      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:35PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:35PM (#962451)

        So you never had an opinion as a kid? Must have been a boring kid...

        "Don't trust anyone over 30" played a good part in ending US involvement in Vietnam:
        https://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2000-04-06/article/759 [berkeleydailyplanet.com]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @08:07PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @08:07PM (#962522)

          Sure, but why should everyone care about the opinions of these two? They have both been manufactured/groomed for public consumption for some reason.

          "We cannot have a teenage climate girl gap!"

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:45PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:45PM (#962589)

        The creepy thing is the right-wing Koch funding propping up some child who only has 50k followers on youtube and then all the corporate media going nuts for them because reporters are so god damn addicted to a "both sides" framing that they've forgotten that the job of the press is to report truth, not just be stenographers for propagandists and leaving it up to the public WHO ARE NOT EXPERTS to figure out out who is telling the truth and who is lying.

        NOTE TO JOURNALISTS:
        "If someone says it's raining, and another person says it's dry,
        it's not your job to quote them both.
        Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true."

        -- Jonathan Foster (Journalism Prof at Sheffield University)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:02AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:02AM (#962618)

          Not that journalists are experts either. In better times, at most they could have put honest effort into reporting what they researched.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:38AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:38AM (#962691)

            They aren't experts, but they have the means and training to find the experts and report what they say instead of just giving equal weight to everybody regardless of their expertise and motives.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:55PM (17 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @03:55PM (#962404)

    Reactionary and Radical actors both cause trouble.

    "Reactionary" as a political label is so stupid. Used derogatorily it implies that the only "correct" political viewpoint is to be progressive.

    Sometimes new ideas are dumb. So you oppose them. Oops, now you're a "reactionary."

    --
    "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:40PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @04:40PM (#962426)

      > "Reactionary" as a political label is so stupid.

      OK then, what is the correct word? There needs to be something generic for extreme right behavior that corresponds to "radical" (extreme behavior/beliefs on the left side).

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:06PM (2 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:06PM (#962445)

        Why? Just call them "radical right."

        Or if you simply *must* have a replacement term, I'd suggest "regressive."

        --
        "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:41PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @05:41PM (#962452)

          At least one dictionary disagrees: https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/reactionary [thesaurus.com]

          Antonyms for reactionary

                  liberal
                  progressive
                  radical

          • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:09PM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:09PM (#962492)

            People use the term to mean illogical things. News at 11

            --
            "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 26 2020, @05:37AM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @05:37AM (#962732) Journal

        There needs to be something generic for extreme right behavior that corresponds to "radical" (extreme behavior/beliefs on the left side).

        There's plenty of generic labels out there. But what do you need them for?

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:58AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:58AM (#962748)

          khallow excites no one as a brand name. In fact, has the opposite effect in most cases.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:26AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:26AM (#962756)

          Depends, are they halal certified? If not, why not?

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday February 26 2020, @11:25AM

        by Bot (3902) on Wednesday February 26 2020, @11:25AM (#962796) Journal

        Dividing people in left and right is like Bush saying "either with us or with terrorists", lolwut, the terrorists are helping your already drafted political program.
        Many people opposed to lefty socialism would probably have opposed the same tactics when adopted by national socialism. Control over economy and private life, appeal to youth, appeal to revolution, replacement of traditional religion with spirituality of the self, cult of personality. The problem being that these 'conservative' people's own political representatives, the republicans, the catholics, the whatevers, always bent over for the socialists, red or black, without fighting. So, they are the ultimate political bitches, because they are also lapdogs for the plutocrats, and, as every politician ever recently, unable to fight the battle against the money printers.

        --
        Account abandoned.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:48PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:48PM (#962590)

      > Sometimes new ideas are dumb. So you oppose them. Oops, now you're a "reactionary."

      No dude. That's the definition of conservative.
      A reactionary is someone who wants to undo established progress to return to a "simpler" time.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:56PM (6 children)

        by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday February 25 2020, @10:56PM (#962593)

        Well it doesn't sound like that's a universally-accepted definition.

        The French Revolution gave the English language three politically descriptive words denoting anti-progressive politics: "reactionary", "conservative" and "right". "Reactionary" derives from the French word réactionnaire (a late 18th century coinage based on the word réaction, "reaction") and "conservative" from conservateur, identifying monarchist parliamentarians opposed to the revolution.[8] In this French usage, reactionary denotes "a movement towards the reversal of an existing tendency or state" and a "return to a previous condition of affairs". The Oxford English Dictionary cites the first English language usage in 1799 in a translation of Lazare Carnot's letter on the Coup of 18 Fructidor.[9]

        During the French Revolution, conservative forces (especially within the Catholic Church) organized opposition to the progressive sociopolitical and economic changes brought by the revolution; and they fought to restore the temporal authority of the Church and Crown. In 19th Century European politics, the reactionary class included the Catholic Church's hierarchy and the aristocracy, royal families, and royalists. They believed that national government was the sole domain of the Church and the State. In France, supporters of traditional rule by direct heirs of the House of Bourbon dynasty were labelled the legitimist reaction. In the Third Republic, the monarchists were the reactionary faction, later renamed conservative.[8]

        Political scientist Corey Robin argues that modern American conservatism is fundamentally reactionary in his book The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin.[13]

        Another reason not to use it.

        --
        "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @11:48PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @11:48PM (#962611)

          modern American conservatism

          Hello, McFly? Modern American conservatism has become the equivalent of the absolute nutjob right in europe.

          Refusing to use a correct term because it accurately describes how nucking futs some americans have become is the opposite of being neutral, its catering to the nuts to obfuscate just how nuts they are. Stop carrying water for the nazis dude. I'm not exaggerating - modern american conservatism literally wants to undo the liberal world order established as a result of the defeat of the nazis. [washingtonpost.com] If returning the country to a pre-nazi time isn't reactionary, then what the fuck is?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:00AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @12:00AM (#962616)

            If it wouldn't be so sad, it'd be funny seeing the losing team of the last presidential election using their PR section (used to be called journalists) to scare poor dumb fucks glued to their phones, that Trump the antichrist will bring literally Nazism to America (would that be before or after he sells us out to the Russians?). Three whole years later.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:44AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @01:44AM (#962649)

              Your great grandparents were the ones chanting "mustache man bad" back in the homeland weren't they?

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 26 2020, @05:40AM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @05:40AM (#962733) Journal

            Modern American conservatism has become the equivalent of the absolute nutjob right in europe.

            Why should we care? Europe is pretty skewed as well, politically.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:01AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @07:01AM (#962750)

              khallow does not know where Europe is, of why he should care about it. Typical American. Really, really, stupid; and, geographically challenged. This is why Pompeo runs about with un-titled maps, just in case a NPR reporter or khallow should show up! Unfortunately, the NPR reporter could identify Ukraine, while khallow pointed to South Dakota. Sad, really.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:50PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 26 2020, @02:50PM (#962857) Journal
                Point is this is just a different provincial viewpoint where you take Europe as your base reference rather than the US.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @08:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @08:03AM (#962768)

        Sometimes new ideas are dumb. So you oppose them.

        "Keep America Great": Conservative. Keep the Darkies off the streets after dark.
        "Make America Great": Progressive. Hell, yeah! Go, Bernie!! It's the American way!!!
        "Keep America as shitty as it is": Liberal, Status Quo, but bitching about it.
        "Make America Grate, Again": Reactionary, implying a return to a past that never existed, cf. Reagan, Ronald, "It's Morning in America, Again".

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:12PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 25 2020, @07:12PM (#962496)

    Germany "Mercedes" ~~ USA "Pontiac"
    Poor Old N* Thinks It's A Cadillac.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @08:11AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @08:11AM (#962769)

      What's a "Pontiac"? What is a N*? Are you a Boomer? OK, Boomer.

      All I can find is this:

      Pontiac or Obwandiyag (c. 1714/20 – April 20, 1769) was an Odawa war chief known for his role in the war named for him, from 1763 to 1766 leading Native Americans in a struggle against British military occupation of the Great Lakes region. It followed the British victory in the French and Indian War, the North American front of the Seven Years' War.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_(Ottawa_leader) [wikipedia.org]

      What does this have to do with "Mercedes", which as far as I can ascertain, is María de las Mercedes [wikipedia.org], not that I am trying to obfuscate the Fine Alt-right Racist shit being spewed here about car brands.

      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:47PM (1 child)

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday February 26 2020, @06:47PM (#963003) Journal

        Your search-fu is clearly lacking.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac [wikipedia.org]

        --
        The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 26 2020, @10:12PM (#963162)

          wooooooosh