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posted by martyb on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the three-cheers-for-optimism dept.

The Helsinki Times reports that Finland's Minister of Finance suggested during a recent foreign policy speech that Finland and the EU could pursue self-sufficiency in computing, in particular to avoid over dependence on just a handful of companies. She pointed out that this overreliance on said companies has become so severe that company policy has already started to override existing relevant legislation. The topic had earlier been brought up by President Sauli Niinistö. So far, though, not even Russia has made progress in that direction despite over a decade passing since announcing plans.

"Cyber self-sufficiency, in practical terms, could mean having a European operating system and web browser. The EU could also function as a provider of certificates," she envisioned in a foreign and security policy speech in Helsinki on Wednesday, 26 February.

Previously:
Moscow Bans Sale of Gadgets Without Russian-Made Software


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:52PM (8 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 27 2020, @09:52PM (#963794) Journal

    Chrome is open source. It can, and has, been rebuilt so that it doesn't phone home with every juicy detail of your sordid porn browsing. Why would you have a problem with the EU forking an open source project? They can fork all of Linux, if they care to, and it will be "their own" operating system. BTW, we all realize that Torvalds wasn't an American when he created his operating system? What's that called, again? Torvuldix, or something like that? Yet another 'nix-like OS.

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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday February 27 2020, @11:17PM (3 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Thursday February 27 2020, @11:17PM (#963854) Journal

    Linux
    Is
    Not
    Uni
    X

    Especially after udev, pulseaudio and the init system that shan't be name-d

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    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday February 28 2020, @06:15AM (2 children)

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday February 28 2020, @06:15AM (#963990) Journal

      Especially after udev, pulseaudio and the overreaching system component being falsely claimed just to be an init system that shan't be name-d

      FTFY

      I mean, how would something that is merely an init system interfere with encryption of your home directory? [launchpad.net]

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Friday February 28 2020, @06:26AM (1 child)

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday February 28 2020, @06:26AM (#963994) Journal

        I just noticed that the page I linked to didn't mention systemd; my source was in German and linked to that page; I neglected to scan that page for mention of systemd, sorry about that.

        Here's the German page: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ecryptfs/ [ubuntuusers.de]

        Quote of the relevant part:

        Der Wechsel zu systemd führte zu einer Regression in ecrypts, die für das Einbinden/Auswerfen verschlüsselter Home-Verzeichnisse beim An- und Abmelden verantwortlich ist. Zu beachten ist, dass aufgrund dieses Problems in Ubuntu 16.04 und neueren Versionen das Home-Verzeichnis beim Abmelden nicht mehr in einen verschlüsselten Zustand zurückgeführt wird: 1734541

        Translation:

        The switch to systemd caused a regression in ecryptfs, which is responsible for mounting/unmounting of encrypted home directories. Be aware that because of this problem in Ubuntu 16.04 and newer versions, the home directory is no longer returned to an encrypted state after logout.

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        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday February 28 2020, @07:12AM

          by Bot (3902) on Friday February 28 2020, @07:12AM (#964013) Journal

          first they came for encfs and i didn't speak up because there was ecryptfs
          then they came for ecryptfs and i didn't speak up because all my speeches were in the encfs dir and i lost the key.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @07:08AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @07:08AM (#964010)

    Because its direction is controlled and will be controlled by Google. Unless you want to completely diverge from them, which would be quite a bit painful task and require quite some euros.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday February 28 2020, @08:07AM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 28 2020, @08:07AM (#964023) Journal

      In this case, divergence would be good. Google spies too much, and it only benefits Google and a few partners. Google wouldn't have any control over a new browser, let's call it EuroFrugal so we can get a dig in at Google.

      I'd like to place a wager here. I'll bet that there are more than enough qualified people in Europe to develop and maintain an indepentent fork of Chrome. If the EU were backing the browser as an indepence from US influence, I'm sure they could hire some of those qualified people to do the job.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @08:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @08:11AM (#964025)

        That'd be an interesting development, although I don't believe at the moment that it will actually happen.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @01:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 28 2020, @01:39PM (#964083)

    As long as the Chromium project is the foundation for a near monopoly of browsers and Google controls the Chromium project, it gives Google an effective control over web standards. So, for example, standards work that would make it harder to do browser fingerprinting will never get any priority either in the standards body or in implementation. Standards work that would make migration away from GMail will never get attention in the standards body or in implementation. And so forth.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled Chromium is open source. But even with open source a monoculture is dangerous - especially one controlled by a for-profit entity.