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posted by LaminatorX on Friday August 29 2014, @02:09PM   Printer-friendly
from the vape-culture dept.

Research into second hand emissions from cigarettes and e-cigarettes (Abstract) has found that while there is a tenfold decrease in overall exposure to carcinogenic particulate matter from e-cigarettes compared to cigarettes, there were increased levels of certain toxic metals. The researchers noted that more of this came from the device itself as opposed to the liquid used in the device.

In recent years, electronic cigarettes have gained increasing popularity as alternatives to normal (tobacco-containing) cigarettes. In the present study, particles generated by e-cigarettes and normal cigarettes have been analyzed and the degree of exposure to different chemical agents and their emission rates were quantified. Despite the 10-fold decrease in the total exposure to particulate elements in e-cigarettes compared to normal cigarettes, specific metals (e.g. Ni and Ag) still displayed a higher emission rate from e-cigarettes. Further analysis indicated that the contribution of e-liquid to the emission of these metals is rather minimal, implying that they likely originate from other components of the e-cigarette device or other indoor sources. Organic species had lower emission rates during e-cigarette consumption compared to normal cigarettes. Of particular note was the non-detectable emission of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) from e-cigarettes, while substantial emission of these species was observed from normal cigarettes. Overall, with the exception of Ni, Zn, and Ag, the consumption of e-cigarettes resulted in a remarkable decrease in secondhand exposure to all metals and organic compounds. Implementing quality control protocols on the manufacture of e-cigarettes would further minimize the emission of metals from these devices and improve their safety and associated health effects.

 
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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by takyon on Friday August 29 2014, @03:28PM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 29 2014, @03:28PM (#87239) Journal

    Does your non-smoking wife love that you use the e-cig now, got hooked on nicotine, or smokes water?

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Snow on Friday August 29 2014, @03:37PM

    by Snow (1601) on Friday August 29 2014, @03:37PM (#87246) Journal

    This is the type of anti-smoking attitude that pisses me off. Here we have a product that helps people, and then ass-clowns like this come around and as long as it /looks/ like someone is smoking, they have a huge problem with it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @03:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @03:45PM (#87249)

      My wife who still smokes has a real problem with that as well. She pointed out and I think rightly its not about smoking at all. Its about something people 'dont like' so they want to smash it out.

      I dont smoke never have. But the worst offenders I see are some ex-smokers. Some are so bad its borderline psycho. It used to be polite to offer people an ashtray if they were visiting. Now its SOP to make them go outside.

      I give it 5-10 years before it becomes very difficult to actually buy real cigs. :(

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tathra on Friday August 29 2014, @04:34PM

        by tathra (3367) on Friday August 29 2014, @04:34PM (#87277)

        I think rightly its not about smoking at all. Its about something people 'dont like' so they want to smash it out.

        as a non-smoker whose had to be around smokers my entire life, i can assure you that its about not wanting to be forced to breathe in toxins all the time. some people probably are using it as an excuse to force their morals on others, but that doesnt change the fact that there is a legitimate reason for wanting them banned where cigarettes are also banned.

        saying that e-cigs are fine where normal cigs arent is like saying its ok to smoke heroin in places where you cant smoke opium.

        • (Score: 1) by crAckZ on Friday August 29 2014, @06:29PM

          by crAckZ (3501) on Friday August 29 2014, @06:29PM (#87324) Journal

          opium and heroin are pretty much the same. e-liquid is not even close to regular tobacco. plus heroin is illegal. compare two different products.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by tathra on Friday August 29 2014, @06:48PM

            by tathra (3367) on Friday August 29 2014, @06:48PM (#87330)

            opium and heroin are pretty much the same.

            not even close. heroin is just diacetylmorphine, but opium is a plant extract that contains morphine, codeine, thebaine, papaverine, narcotoline, noscapine, plus plant matter.

            in both examples (opium:heroin and tobacco:e-liquid), you're taking a plant or plant extract, isolating its active ingredient, making it more potent, and inhaling it.

            • (Score: 1) by crAckZ on Friday August 29 2014, @09:03PM

              by crAckZ (3501) on Friday August 29 2014, @09:03PM (#87373) Journal

              then we can say that you have to ban copiers because of the chemicals? i am sure i wouldn't be allowed to inhale the fumes if they were in a swimming pool but they are ok in that environment. yes the levels of the chemicals involved do come into play. in your example you are dealing with 2 banned substances...derived from the same plant i might add. (diacetylmorphine is more than just...it isn't hard to go from a poppy to heroin) nicotine is not illegal (at this moment). since TFA stated it was metals (Ni, Zn, and Ag) being in the vapor we should ban them right? Zinc, Nickel, and Silver are not regulated either.

              this is why everything has a warning. going by your logic they should ban "near-bear" to minors (which they do not) because there is still at least or under .5% by volume

              the amount of the substance in this case as in the e-cig is what matters not the substance itself as in your heroin analogy. they are different arguments

              • (Score: 1) by crAckZ on Friday August 29 2014, @09:38PM

                by crAckZ (3501) on Friday August 29 2014, @09:38PM (#87383) Journal

                some states do regulate the near-beer

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tathra on Saturday August 30 2014, @01:30AM

                by tathra (3367) on Saturday August 30 2014, @01:30AM (#87423)

                what are you talking about? your post is just a long string of strawmen.

                since you can't seem to figure it out, i'll spell it out for you: regardless of whether you're smoking tobacco or vaporizing nicotine, you're still polluting the air with nicotine, an extremely addictive drug with a rather low LD50 (less than 1mg/kg in humans, far more toxic than other recreational drugs), and forcing everyone around you to take that drug against their will. i dont get why smokers are the only ones allowed to drug literally everyone around them against their will; everybody else who does that is rightfully considered a disgusting creep.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Vanderhoth on Friday August 29 2014, @04:39PM

        by Vanderhoth (61) on Friday August 29 2014, @04:39PM (#87278)

        I was going to avoid commenting on this article because I'm still "wary" of e-cigs and know that gets under some peoples skin. I'm coming around, but I still want to see more research done and still feel some regulations need to be enforced for where they can be used.

        As an ex-smoker for 5-7 years now I can tell you when someone lights up next to me it takes a lot of will power not to ask for one. Quitting was extremely hard after 10 years of smoking and I know all it would take is one cig and I'd be right back at it. You think it's inconsiderate not to offer an ash tray? I'd say it's pretty inconsiderate to light up in someones house and blow smoke everywhere after someone's worked really hard to quit AND THEN accuse them of being inconsiderate. Since your wife does smoke you probably don't notice it, but that smell stays on everything and that smell alone can bring on cravings so it's not something I want in my house at all. I can tell for up to 30 minutes after a coworker comes back in from a smoke that that's what they were doing.

        I apologize to smokers, but smokers have to be the LEAST considerate group of people when it comes to their habit, and I include myself in that group from when I was smoking. There is no thought involved for where some people light up or who's around them, even though we know how harmful it is for not just the smokers, but for others near by. People smoke for years and then really want to quit, but it's made exponentially difficult when others are constantly lighting up around them. I've had people in my car not think twice about rolling down the window and lighting up even with my = 2yr old sitting right in the back seat and then get mad at me when I say I don't allow smoking in MY car. They stand at the entrances to offices, hospitals and other business so if you want/have to go in you have to walk through a cloud to get there. So yeah I have to apologize if I seem testy or inconsiderate around smokers, but this is a habit that doesn't just affect the user, when you light up everyone around you is being forced willingly or not to participate.

        I appreciate e-cigs are safer, but we still don't know how much less dangerous they are than normal cigs, maybe in small amounts from one person, not so bad. Maybe trapped in a room with 20 people vaping or being exposed to it for a long time is. I don't want to discourage it because it can be a useful tool for someone trying to quit.

        You're still forcing people around you to participate in the habit. We all have to breath so try and at least be considerate and use them out in open spaces. My biggest issue is since there aren't any regulations on where you can use them some people think it's perfectly acceptable to use them EVERYWHERE. Air planes, cars, buses, in side office spaces, stores, etc... It really isn't ok. If this was like drinking coffee and you're the only one being affected sure, but it's not it goes into the air. I was on a bus probably about a year ago and two different people were vaping, one had some kind of strawberry smell and the other one smelled like stale urine. It was pretty intolerable, I can only imagine what it's going to be like when this does take off and there's 10/30 people on a bus with all manors of different smells. It really is bad enough that some people can't keep perfumes and colognes to a reasonable level. I digress, when the driver asked them not vape on the bus because of the odor one of them flipped out and started screaming about how safe they were and there were no rule about VAPING so they could do what they wanted to. Driver said he didn't care, the smell was too strong, there were some obscenity and threats and of course the driver pulled over and the cops eventually showed up to pull him off the bus. The other person put theirs away, which I'm sure everyone appreciated, but I'd say it should have been common sense not to to use it on the bus in the first place.

        Probably only a small minority of smokers/vapers are that bad, but the fact remains there are people that are that bad. Without clear guidelines for when and where it can be done those people are going to ruin it for everyone. I still remember what it was like in the early 80s where people could, and did, smoke everywhere, we really don't need to go back to that.

        • (Score: 2) by mmcmonster on Friday August 29 2014, @06:35PM

          by mmcmonster (401) on Friday August 29 2014, @06:35PM (#87326)

          I wish I had mod points.

          The real reason e-cigs are dangerous is that they're purposely made as a gateway to smoking cigarettes. If they weren't, they wouldn't have spent years of R&D to make them look like cigarettes.

          The only ones I advocate using e-cigs are people trying to get off of real cigarettes. And even they should be ostracized as cigarette smokers, because smoking should be discouraged as much as possible.

          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Vanderhoth on Friday August 29 2014, @07:10PM

            by Vanderhoth (61) on Friday August 29 2014, @07:10PM (#87334)

            The real reason e-cigs are dangerous is that they're purposely made as a gateway to smoking cigarettes.

            smoking should be discouraged as much as possible.

            I don't disagree with either of these statements, I do think e-cigs are actually a tobacco industry product that they're trying to be disconnected from. Mainly because the tobacco industry is KNOWN to have liked and has a hugely negative image so they know if people directly associated e-cigs with them it would be game over. Tobacco is so heavily regulated now and the industries hands are so tightly tied in terms of advertising and what not if they're going to survive they need a new product that's not regulated where they can get a whole new generation addicted to their product. Enter e-cigs.

            And even they should be ostracized as cigarette smokers,

            I do disagree with this. If smokers are making a choice to switch, I don't really consider it quitting its just replacing one product with another, to a much less harmful, for everyone, addiction then it should be encouraged and ostracizing them is just going to drive them back to tobacco. Kids on the other hand should be discouraged from day one from starting, I got hooked because I had heavy smokers for parents and friends that I wanted to "be cool with". I was 14 when I started and had no idea what I was getting into, which is what the tobacco industry was banking on when they advertised to kids.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 30 2014, @03:21AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 30 2014, @03:21AM (#87446)

            The real reason e-cigs are dangerous is that they're purposely made as a gateway to smoking cigarettes.

            Why do you say that?
            It does not pass the smell test because barely any e-cig manufacturers also sell cigarettes. There is absolutely no value to e-cig makers in being a gateway drug. They want to keep their customers, not lose them to some other product.

            What is going on is that e-cigs are made to be as close as possible to real cigs in order to entice tobacco smokers into becoming e-cig users. They are a gateway, just in the opposite direction of what you think.

        • (Score: 2) by strattitarius on Friday August 29 2014, @07:34PM

          by strattitarius (3191) on Friday August 29 2014, @07:34PM (#87341) Journal
          You have some real asshole friends, and I think that is much more your problem than with smokers in general. I have never smoked where not allowed, especially not in a friends house or car. I have rarely thrown out a butt on the sidewalk or street (very rare occasions there is not another choice).

          How about instead of being "wary" and quite frankly a bit "jerky" about cigs and e-cigs, support a liquid based nicotine so that we can all enjoy it like we do our caffeine and not bother you? Offering a safe, better alternative is almost always more successful than trying to ban or eliminate things. More so when you rant about people being inconsiderate for actions they have never taken.
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          • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Friday August 29 2014, @09:25PM

            by Vanderhoth (61) on Friday August 29 2014, @09:25PM (#87378)

            And that is exactly the self-centred response people expect from smokers and the reason we needed regulations on cigs in the first place. I'm not even against people switching to e-cigs, but you felt it necessary to insult my friends and call me a jerk. Note I said "I've had people in my car..." not "I've had friends in my car..." sometimes driving others around as a favour is something people do, which makes it even more insulting when they light up without asking then get pissy when you tell them they can't.

            It seems anything less than 100% support and no restrictions isn't good enough. Seeing as that's the no compromise attitude I more often than not get, I think an all out ban might be a better solution. If we can't all get along it's better to cater to the majority.

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            • (Score: 2) by strattitarius on Tuesday September 09 2014, @01:49PM

              by strattitarius (3191) on Tuesday September 09 2014, @01:49PM (#91211) Journal

              If we can't all get along it's better to cater to the majority.

              Brilliant!

              Ban the minorities!
              Ban anyone with odd medical issues!
              Ban atheist!
              Ban electric cars!

              Yes, let's just ban it if the majority doesn't like it, because that has been so successful in the past.

              Oh, and if you try to paint all smokers as some sort of asshole, wants to blow smoke in a 2-year-old's face, then expect a bit of push back. Me assuming they are your friends is no more of a leap than you assuming all smokers are like that (except that you actually have evidence that refutes the point about smokers, but I don't know your friends).

              I am done with this convo. I will continue to smoke and continue to not be an asshole about it. I hope you will stop trying to ban something I want to do in the privacy of my own home/air space.

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              • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday September 09 2014, @03:38PM

                by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday September 09 2014, @03:38PM (#91265)

                Speaking of smoking, I think you might be having a nicotine withdrawal. I hate to break it to you, but the ban is already underway. It won't be long now till you can't even buy a cig. So perhaps you should have a cig and calm down before they're out right banned and you're stuck in a perpetual Mr. Grump mode :)

                Enjoy them while you can.

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                • (Score: 2) by strattitarius on Tuesday September 09 2014, @03:53PM

                  by strattitarius (3191) on Tuesday September 09 2014, @03:53PM (#91271) Journal
                  NO SHIT! I am in perpetual grump mode now! If it gets any worse I will need to carry my lawn around with me so I can always have something to yell about . I am going to smoke.
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                  • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Tuesday September 09 2014, @05:37PM

                    by Vanderhoth (61) on Tuesday September 09 2014, @05:37PM (#91337)

                    Thought you were done with this conversation?

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                    • (Score: 2) by strattitarius on Tuesday September 09 2014, @06:14PM

                      by strattitarius (3191) on Tuesday September 09 2014, @06:14PM (#91363) Journal
                      One of the funny lines of the Lego Move: "There's also NO CONSISTENCY".

                      And it applies to me!
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:53PM (#87368)

          > As an ex-smoker for 5-7 years now I can tell you when someone lights up next to me it takes a lot of will power not to ask for one.

          The great thing about e-cigs is that you can't bum one off another smoker since they've only got one.

          • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Friday August 29 2014, @09:45PM

            by Vanderhoth (61) on Friday August 29 2014, @09:45PM (#87387)

            The other thing I prefer about e-cigs is the smells don't give me cravings as an ex-smoker. So when I'm around someone smoking one I don't even feel like I need a cigarette like I do when I'm standing next to someone smoking a cigarette. The down side is when people pick juices that have strong scents. Individually the smells might not be so bad if someone picks something like strawberry, vanilla, mint, etc. Two or more conflicting scents or someone that picks something they like, but is really putrid to others and it can be quite overwhelming.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @08:50PM (#87367)

        > But the worst offenders I see are some ex-smokers.

        That is human nature in general - recent converts are the most zealous. It doesn't really matter what they've converted too, just that the conversion is a big deal for them so they think it should be a big deal for everyone else. A lack of perspective I guess.

    • (Score: 1) by takyon on Friday August 29 2014, @03:53PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 29 2014, @03:53PM (#87254) Journal

      I'm just asking for a clarification. What the hell.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @04:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @04:00PM (#87257)

        Like I said the ex-smokers are the most psycho ;)

        I have noticed this latest 'wave' of smokers though are *really* tired of people assaulting them at every turn. They are a bit sensitive to it.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @05:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @05:21PM (#87295)

          I have noticed this latest 'wave' of smokers though are *really* tired of people assaulting them at every turn.

          Us nonsmokers are *really* tired of being assaulted and poisoned at every turn. Your rights end where our bodies and well-being begin; our "right to breathe clean air" supercedes your "right to smoke".

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @05:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 29 2014, @05:38PM (#87298)

            Bull.

            You just dont like it. So what? Being a non smoker I dont like it either. But I dont go around trying to make laws against it. And making up poor excuses to act like an ass. A little smoke will not turn you into a walking tumor.

            My point is it is so bad there is no where to smoke anymore. Not even out by a dumpster. You are treating your fellow man lower than dirt. All because of something you dont like. Show a bit of empathy.

            • (Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Friday August 29 2014, @06:07PM

              by Vanderhoth (61) on Friday August 29 2014, @06:07PM (#87314)

              No, he's pretty much right.

              As an ex-smoker, I accept my rights end when they affect someone else. Even when I was smoking if someone asked me not to smoke around them or in a certain place I listened. It's not my place to decide that someone should just put up with me and forcing them to participate in an action whether they want to or not is wrong. Actually there are very few cases where that's NOT considered illegal.

              I grew up in the 80s and smoked into the 90s where smoking became much more restricted. I have to say it really is better for everyone. Smokers can still smoke, but non-smokers aren't being forced to participate. The only people who are bitter about it are the ones that feel entitled to light up wherever they feel like it, the word for that is selfish. I seriously doubt you're a non-smoker with the hostile attitude you present.

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          • (Score: 2) by SlimmPickens on Friday August 29 2014, @08:37PM

            by SlimmPickens (1056) on Friday August 29 2014, @08:37PM (#87362)

            Us nonsmokers are *really* tired of being assaulted and poisoned at every turn. Your rights end where our bodies and well-being begin; our "right to breathe clean air" supersedes your "right to smoke".

            That's perfectly logical, but I'd like you to know that as a former smoker (took 20 years to give up), I don't have a problem with anyone smoking anywhere as long as it's outdoors.

          • (Score: 2) by EvilJim on Wednesday September 17 2014, @03:26AM

            by EvilJim (2501) on Wednesday September 17 2014, @03:26AM (#94378) Journal

            good luck with your 'right to breathe clean air' - I don't think there is such a thing any more, except maybe the very centre of the Amazon rain forest.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Snow on Friday August 29 2014, @04:15PM

        by Snow (1601) on Friday August 29 2014, @04:15PM (#87263) Journal

        If your comment was genuine, I apologise. The internet sucks for conservational tone. I interpreted it as snarky. Let me try to answer your question:

        1) Yes, she probabaly does like the e-cig, because now he no longer smells like tobacco. He also likly coughs less, and is generally helthier.
        2) Im' sure his wife doesn't care about the nicotine addition. It's not the addition to nicotine, is the smoking that comes with it.
        3) How could you not like smoking water? Jesus could only walk on water. I can SMOKE it.

        Based on your questions, it is really unreasonable to assume you were trying for snarky?

  • (Score: 1) by crAckZ on Friday August 29 2014, @06:18PM

    by crAckZ (3501) on Friday August 29 2014, @06:18PM (#87319) Journal

    i was hooked on nicotine before the e-cig. did you think the whole "pack a day" part was all nicotine free? smoking water huh? you do not "smoke water".

    i am pretty sure all of your question was answered in my post so if you are trying to be condescending try to be more creative and think about it before you post. "smoke water" ... even my smoking-hot non-smoking wife is laughing at you for that one.

    • (Score: 1) by takyon on Friday August 29 2014, @09:40PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday August 29 2014, @09:40PM (#87385) Journal

      Yeah, I knew that an e-cig is a vaporizer. I'm glad that at least someone had a laugh.

      Here's why it made the list: I've heard a firsthand account about how grown adults have passed around an e-cig, also allowing their 10 year olds to vape a flavored liquid, sans nicotine.

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