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posted by martyb on Thursday March 19 2020, @10:23AM   Printer-friendly
from the first-things-first dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The San Francisco Bay Area is in lockdown to fight the spread of the coronavirus. Under a "shelter in place" order announced Monday, people in seven Bay Area counties are prohibited from leaving their homes except for essential activities like visiting the doctor or buying food.

Tesla's Fremont car factory is in Alameda County, which is participating in the lockdown. But Tesla CEO Elon Musk has been defiant. In a Monday evening email, he told employees that they could stay home from work if they felt sick. However, he wrote, "I will personally be at work" on Tuesday.

But late on Tuesday, the Alameda County Sheriff's office fired a shot across Tesla's bow:

Alameda County's Monday order directed businesses in the county to "cease all activities at facilities located within the County except Minimum Basic Operations"—like processing payroll.

[...] Tesla's stock plunged on news that Tesla could be forced to shut down its Fremont factory. As of publication time, Tesla's stock is down more than 11 percent at $380. That's down from a high above $900 the stock hit just last month—before the economic impact of the coronavirus became clear.

Other car stocks are also being hit hard. Ford's stock is down 12 percent, while GM's stock has fallen 21 percent since Tuesday's close.

[...] But American automakers are hoping to keep running their factories in the United States. On Wednesday, Detroit's Big Three automakers announced tentative deals with the United Auto Workers to continue manufacturing. Under the deals, carmakers will reduce operating hours to provide more time for deep cleaning between shifts. They will also take measures to increase the physical distance between workers—though details about this remain to be worked out.


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by istartedi on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:43PM (27 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:43PM (#973238) Journal

    So, everybody with a 401k or an IRA that has stocks is a sociopath? Good to know. I'll steer clear of those people. Oh, wait... I'm currently under order to steer clear of almost everybody, so I guess that's taken care of.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:48PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:48PM (#973241)

    Oh yeah, and here's a thousand bucks, that should take care of the loss of your job and house. Your health is our highest priority, you know.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:40PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:40PM (#973278)

      Trump's going to spend his $1000 check on the best steak dinner ever.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:59PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:59PM (#973285)

        Too bad the state government closed down the steak restaurants.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:47PM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2020, @07:47PM (#973281)

    everybody with a 401k or an IRA that has stocks is a sociopath?

    Yes, all that money is blood money, feeding gangsters and terrorists. Sociopathy is very common, and is frequently rewarded with great wealth, given freely by other sociopaths who want a piece of the action. The system itself is sociopathic, totally indifferent, just counts the money. I'm not proud. I can accept my evil in living comfortably under such a system and enjoying its privileges. Can you accept your own for the same? Or will you live the rest of your days in denial? Because that would definitely make you a sociopath.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 20 2020, @01:56PM (20 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @01:56PM (#973483) Journal
      In other words, you want one thing, most people want another. So the way to ignore their wants is to label them "sociopathic".

      Sorry, this is a democracy. Society has to consider everyones' wants, even the allegedly sociopathic people, not merely consider your wants.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 20 2020, @02:07PM (19 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 20 2020, @02:07PM (#973486)

        Most people want evil. 95% of them vote for it or choose to let it happen, usually, like with you, it's for personal gain, or to be eaten last. You're in good company.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 20 2020, @06:38PM (18 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @06:38PM (#973584) Journal

          Most people want evil. 95% of them vote for it or choose to let it happen, usually, like with you, it's for personal gain, or to be eaten last.

          Then we'll do that. Sucks to be you.

          But having said that, your remarkable ongoing inability to describe what "evil" people supposedly want, indicates to me that you are completely full of shit. I don't take moral advice from bullshitters.

          • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Friday March 20 2020, @06:51PM (17 children)

            by istartedi (123) on Friday March 20 2020, @06:51PM (#973588) Journal

            He could be either trolling or legitimately mentally ill. When you're depressed, paranoid, or in some other state the world and its people all seem wrong somehow. His world view seems rather dark. As Jim Morrison sang, People are strange, when you're a stranger. Faces look ugly, when you're alone. Women seem wicked, when you're unwanted. Streets are uneven when you're down.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @03:23AM (16 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 21 2020, @03:23AM (#973730)

              Yes, look at the crooks you reelect and tell me I'm the fucked up one. You people are denial and projection all wrapped up together.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 22 2020, @02:20PM (15 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 22 2020, @02:20PM (#974134) Journal

                Yes, look at the crooks you reelect and tell me I'm the fucked up one.

                Who is "you"? Because it sounds to me like you are part of "you".

                You people are denial and projection all wrapped up together.

                Back at you on that one. The "let's shutdown all capital transactions because I don't like it" plan requires far more unicorns and pixie dust than what's presently in place.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 22 2020, @05:41PM (14 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 22 2020, @05:41PM (#974168)

                  let's shutdown all capital transactions because I don't like it

                  There ya go again, always making shit up... No one (except you) ever hinted at shutting down "all capital transactions", not even close. Payroll for the hourly workers still has to flow, regardless what happens to Wall Street. The government has to see to it, and it has to silence the bill collectors, or it is a failure. But this is how you bullshitters do things. You talk bullshit, and unfortunately, people believe you. Majority rule is showing its fatal flaws. It will end you. It will end all of us if we let it.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 23 2020, @04:06AM (13 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @04:06AM (#974311) Journal

                    Majority rule is showing its fatal flaws. It will end you. It will end all of us if we let it.

                    I'm not surprised that someone who can't see the use of stock markets, now can't see the use of democracy.

                    Payroll for the hourly workers still has to flow, regardless what happens to Wall Street.

                    Payroll isn't capital. People have started businesses off of what they have saved and invested, but they had to work to convert wages to capital. Meanwhile, stock markets' primary role remains the trading and pricing of capital. Ending these markets would end one of the primary means for capital transactions.

                    As to your complaint about majority rule, there's two things to note. First, the absence of a reason for other people to support your position. There's just this vague talk of "crimes" and such. Second, by proposing the destruction of various rights, you're already attacking one of the biggest constraints on majority rule.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @03:11PM (12 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @03:11PM (#974439)

                      Bla bla bla... You're just tossing word salad in defense of your thieving bosses.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 23 2020, @05:46PM (11 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @05:46PM (#974495) Journal
                        And you're just an idiot who has yet to say or understanding anything in this thread. So my "word salad" has too many long words for your puny brain? Don't care! I'm interested in truth, not your fantasies.
                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @06:52PM (10 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @06:52PM (#974528)

                          I'm interested in truth

                          Only with me you will find it...

                          What you express are not fantasies, they are real honest to goodness lies. Your simple goal is to protect your privilege at all costs.

                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 23 2020, @07:08PM (9 children)

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @07:08PM (#974534) Journal

                            Only with me you will find it...

                            Because? Funny how you just say shit.

                            I meanwhile noted that markets play a useful role, that it's not your business what the participants do as long as they don't harm others (you claim they cause harm and theft, but never mention how), and finally that the same games you would use to destroy such markets can also be used against you (with your disregard for human rights and democratic majority rule indicating you have even thought the least bit about this subject).

                            What you express are not fantasies, they are real honest to goodness lies. Your simple goal is to protect your privilege at all costs.

                            Truth is an absolute defense against baseless accusations of lying. Buzz off.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @07:45PM (8 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @07:45PM (#974558)

                              I didn't accuse you of anything. I stated a simple fact. You are spreading lies. Where is the accusation?

                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 23 2020, @08:15PM (7 children)

                                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @08:15PM (#974574) Journal

                                What you express are not fantasies, they are real honest to goodness lies. Your simple goal is to protect your privilege at all costs.

                                There's the accusation.

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @08:32PM (6 children)

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 23 2020, @08:32PM (#974584)

                                  Those are not accusations, they are facts. If you were truly interested in the truth, you would accept that.

                                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 23 2020, @08:44PM (5 children)

                                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @08:44PM (#974590) Journal

                                    Those are not accusations, they are facts.

                                    Even if they were facts, and they aren't, that wouldn't preclude them from being accusations. It's just another excluded middle fallacy, more of your stupidity.

                                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 24 2020, @02:26PM (4 children)

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 24 2020, @02:26PM (#974979)

                                      Even if they were facts, and they aren't

                                      Of course they are! You're just in denial, a psychological issue that you have to sort out yourself. You only 'argue' (with yourself, in a bubble) because you are irrational. Clear up those issues and then maybe, you will accept the truth, and go, in peace

                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:26PM (3 children)

                                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:26PM (#975071) Journal

                                        You're just in denial, a psychological issue that you have to sort out yourself.

                                        In denial over something you have yet to present even the slightest evidence for? Pop psychology isn't going to get you out of this one.

                                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:27PM

                                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:27PM (#975072) Journal
                                          Plus, the semantics games, I might add ("fact" versus "accusation"). Physician heal thyself.
                                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:36PM (1 child)

                                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 24 2020, @04:36PM (#975080)

                                          I'm not in anything. I'm merely watching you play the banker's fool...

                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 25 2020, @01:41AM

                                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 25 2020, @01:41AM (#975289) Journal
                                            You'd get a higher quality response, if you try harder than that.
  • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:43PM

    by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday March 19 2020, @09:43PM (#973310)

    Does a Roth IRA count? Because now would be a good time to convert 401ks and IRAs to Roth IRAs.