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At least one person in Kentucky is infected after taking part at a "coronavirus party" with a group of young adults [...]
The partygoers intentionally got together "thinking they were invincible" and purposely defying state guidance to practice social distancing, [...]
[...] the virus seems to be affecting young people in the United States more than it has in China. A report released last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed that up to 20% of people hospitalized with coronavirus in the United States are between the ages of 20 and 44.
[...] "So far the demography definitely seems to be very different in the United States versus in other countries that saw this hit earlier,"
[...] In New York state, more than half of coronavirus cases -- 53% -- have been among young people between the ages of 18 and 49
From MSN:
Kentucky coronavirus party with group of young adults has left at least one person infected:
At least one person in Kentucky is infected after taking part at a "coronavirus party" with a group of young adults [...] The partygoers intentionally got together "thinking they were invincible" and purposely defying state guidance to practice social distancing [...] "This is one that makes me mad," the governor said. "We have to be much better than that."
And...From Slate:
A group of Kentucky partygoers recently attended a "coronavirus party." The event, which appears to be a pandemic-themed soiree, as you might imagine, was not a civic-minded effort to promote social distancing practices and best hand-washing practices, but a slap in the face to everyone else's collective efforts to not kill our parents and grandparents. The party mocked the virus, and the coronavirus gods were angry. One of the twentysomething attendees of the ill-advised gathering in the midst of a national emergency tested positive for the virus Tuesday.
Maybe I'm too old to get it, but it seems to me somewhat unwise to do this.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Unixnut on Thursday March 26 2020, @10:14AM (30 children)
> I'm sorry to say this, boomers, but a lot of younger folk hate your guts.
I don't either, nor do I know any who do myself. After all, I have parents and grand parents, and I don't wish them any harm. Likewise most old people are someones parent or grandparent. It is empathy if nothing else.
> I don't, I love bullshitting with you guys at bars and hearing your war-stories. But many of those younger than you are see you as rude pricks who outsourced their livelihoods and deprived them of having a standard of living even half what you had and seeing all those out-of-touch boomer pricks in congress and running for presidency, or perhaps being the president himself, probably isn't helping.
> Hell, even kids in high school and middle school aren't taking this seriously and actually using the term "Boomer Remover."
To be honest, sounds like "entitled asshole" mentality more than just being young. It might be correlated by youth, but youth is not the primary cause IMO. Much easier to whine about how others have not provided you a job and the standard of living you feel are entitled to, than it is to work to improve your lot in life.
Also, I suspect that there is a positive correlation between being an entitled asshole and splurging inane drivel on social media. Those of us who don't go around saying things like "boomer remover" are unlikely to be on social media, so what you see online is a distorted view of Millennials and the generations after them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @10:46AM (15 children)
interesting topic...
I do not remember people cursing antibiotics cuz their aged grandmother did not die as she should and instead was living "with the family" cramped as hell...
But i do remember the silent frustration and the salvation that the communists brought witht the many (poorly built) flats.
They saved people from sanitary and psychological disaster...
Of course, nowdays they are mostly known as the enemy of the little people. Sometimes nothing you do is the right thing =).
Also, I agree with the drunkard abowe...
I have worked at shelter of elderly, and seen what they are like in the head, when the neurological marvel starts to fade...
I say, they are not there anymore, and they should live as long as they can wipe their own asses...
I look forward to the culling that is to come =)
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @01:31PM (10 children)
Slavery with poorly built flats is still slavery.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @02:39PM (9 children)
haha look at history of and current situation of Usa...
u are talking, free man?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @03:16PM (8 children)
And? It's a vastly better situation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @04:01PM (7 children)
u took more of what "belongs to others", then russians ever did.
ofc that is the way of coming out on top in evolution, but getting kind of tilted by PR shitposters like u...
(Score: 0, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @04:09PM (6 children)
I think a huge part of the problem is the "belongs to others" concept. For Communism, the fruits of your labor allegedly belong to you no matter how distant they travel. But a billion peoples' lives didn't belong to themselves in practice. The various flavors of capitalism have a much saner grasp of property and ownership. When that is coupled with universal democracy, it works pretty well.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @04:22PM (5 children)
since most of people here are tech educated, u should know that u post bullshit.
the method of leadership is in accordance with history, current problems and available resources.
stop trashtalking history...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @05:34PM (4 children)
Please tell me you're posting from a cell phone.
That's a remarkably low content post. I don't think anyone has claimed that leadership is somehow independent of context. But I think there's a vast chasm between what Communist leadership was allowed to do and what was necessary for them to do. It's far better in a democratic society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @07:49PM (3 children)
yeah, i was at work and used cell...
and also, yeah, look at the madness after 9/11... and that was not even a "war" on murican soil, just some random sabotage/jewish conspiracy.
if u count the change and look at all the problems communists inherited/got, and how emo and shit the people in those countries are, i am not surprised at the outcome.
bro, things are not as you think they are.
but in the end, what i say is irrelevant...
god bless trump and murica!!1!11!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @10:20PM (2 children)
As compared to?
I'm not either. But my lack of surprise is because Communists were in charge. Emo and shit goes with the belief system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 27 2020, @08:09AM (1 child)
cmon man, u cant be this stupid.
when you project backwards, u cant assume that thigs start with fully developed identity...
the communists became what they became for reasos, they were mostly born out of 2 cells like evevry other motherfucker...
u were a serious threat to them, dropping 2 nukes... having enemys like you creates nightmares, yes?
by the way, we are all mortal humans in the end, not having 10 reincarnations in the package to act upon...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 27 2020, @01:18PM
Had to be. There were something like 20-30 countries taken over by the Soviets prior to 1945 with several afterward. It was a growing empire. Then that bullshit stopped till Afghanistan.
So no time for Communism then.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday March 26 2020, @03:28PM (3 children)
I don't think it's building housing that gave them a bad name. It's building a centralized control structure that valued power over all else. That wasn't part of their ideology, but it was inherent in their approach.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @03:56PM
damnit why the little people no come with a manual?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @06:34PM (1 child)
Hence philosophers like Mikhail Bakunin, who argued with Marx that Marx's plans would fail because bureaucracy of any kind has an inherent and inescapable tendency to become corrupt.
And really, the people criticizing government bureaucracy today are not wrong. But they're blind if they miss that corporate bureaucracy is every bit as bad. The problem isn't government bureaucracy or corporate bureaucracy, the problem is bureaucracy. But as much as I think the anarchists get their criticisms of bureaucracy right, they're as naive in their solutions as anyone else. If you convince a group of people to live in a tiny direct democracy with no higher authority, you and your group will just get conquered by the closest state with a larger power structure and set of resources.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Thursday March 26 2020, @10:25PM
It's not. Because you can destroy business bureaucracy, sue it, or route around it legally. Even in the best of countries, government bureaucracy has protections that business bureaucracy can never have. The whole government/business divide is a mitigation of bureaucracy, not merely another flavor of it.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Thursday March 26 2020, @02:02PM (13 children)
I've been observing all manner of adolescent behavior in the South-East US since roughly 1975. Entitled assholes of course cross all demographics and generations, but... those born around 1980 and later take the behavior to all kinds of new levels - as if associating their identity with an organization is all they have to do to merit salary and benefits. Sure, this works for multi-millionaires on corporate boards, but when 19 year old clueless morons start acting like it should work for them too... society can only support so many of those before it does indeed collapse.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @06:10PM (2 children)
This timeframe seems to highly correlate to the rise of the helicopter parent and to the "everyone, even the loosers, gets a trophy" mentality in child rearing where little Johnny/Jane was protected from anything bad ever happening to them, and they were constantly told how important and special they were.
Result: adult snowflakes who can't handle the real world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 26 2020, @11:43PM
For added effect, make college more expensive, outsource jobs and have a recession or two. Wah wah like little babies.
(Score: 2) by dry on Friday March 27 2020, @05:21AM
Which raises the question of why helicopter parenting became a thing.
(Score: 5, Informative) by acid andy on Thursday March 26 2020, @06:59PM (6 children)
You're right, but their perspective isn't too hard to understand when they know they have stagnating wages, no job security, little to no hope of promotion, sky high tuition fees and healthcare costs. If they know just how badly they're being screwed over, then why on Earth should they give their heart and soul to the employer / system that's doing the screwing?
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday March 26 2020, @08:13PM (5 children)
Welp, from 1991 through 2003, I worked for a small company that hired more than half of their staff through the intern program. Typically we'd take on interns in their last semester or two of school, part time or whatever made sense, and on graduation they'd get permanent job offers at competitive salaries. It was a more stable company to work for than most, until it wasn't in 2003 - but... for comparison, my graduating classmates who went on to work for the state power company, IBM, some parts of Motorola, and the local phone company were all churned out on the street within 3-5 years of starting for those "secure bastions of reliable employment." So, anyway, back to our special flowers:
In 2001, I hired an intern at $20 per hour, on the assumption that he might be as valuable as the last 3 interns we had hired over the last 5 years and made permanent offers to... Not only was he clueless as to how to perform, he also failed to ask for help - basically took up space for 3 months - and was let go in the "downsizing" that took place (just for him) at the end of the quarter. Job security, and hope of promotion within that small company were genuinely tied to value delivered, and many of our earlier interns had indeed delivered value, and advanced in responsibility and salary - right up until the economic turmoil surrounding the Gulf War tanked the company in 2003. The thing that really struck me about the worthless intern was his outward attitude of his own value, even after having been told repeatedly: if you don't know, ask for help, there's no value in you sitting here all day being stuck, and we can't tell you're stuck if you don't tell us.
I never thought of showing up 40 hours a week and doing what I could to advance the projects in progress as "giving my heart and soul..." maybe I was a fool, but just doing that between 1991 and 1997 advanced me from Junior Software Engineer to VP of R&D (of a very small place), along with raises that more than tripled my starting salary. This from some random job at a small company I found in the classifieds section of the newspaper. Maybe those opportunities aren't as plentiful as they used to be, but in January of 2013 I started looking for a job in a new town and found one with a very similar small company, this time through the "career opportunities" section of the company website. Half the staff at that company also started as interns before they earned their degrees, and over half of them were H1B candidates or holders... That boss did indeed try to keep salaries lower, my opportunity was open because of a fight he had with a previous employee over compensation, interestingly he ended up paying me more than the employee who left had asked for - I found a better fit for myself about 6 months later and the two of them patched things up, I suspect simply by the boss realizing that it is bad business to lose good employees because you're not willing to pay them market rates...
Anyway, this ramble always ends up with me back at a few well worn points:
1) demand what you're worth, be willing to walk away, if you're really worth it (and your boss isn't an idiot) you'll get it. If your boss is that kind of idiot, you'll do better with a different boss anyway. Of course there are some "common sense" caveats about how to go about making those demands... I've been the boss when an employee tried a very poor execution of this, and it didn't go well for them, but... they weren't worth even what they were being paid, much less what they were demanding, so... c'est la vie.
2) having a secure financial safety net is key to delivering a convincing message in 1)
3) if we'd just elect Bernie & a humane Congress this fall, we could get some kind of UBI which should provide 2) to the bottom tiers of society, enabling them to do 1) more often and start flattening the wealth pyramid, which at present seems to be dangerously pointy on top.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by ChrisMaple on Friday March 27 2020, @06:05AM (2 children)
You make several paragraphs of sense and then promote Bernie as a solution to our problems! Bernie is a communist. He'd impoverish the country while enriching himself and those who suck up to him. He is one of the most evil and dangerous men alive.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday March 27 2020, @12:08PM
Social democrat != communist. Evil? Impoverish? Already happened when you look at the suffering and death among the poorest and look at how far the wealth that could easily save them has been concentrated with the richest.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday March 27 2020, @12:18PM
I'm sorry, Bernie must be truly evil and dangerous because I've become convinced that it's the present administration, and the W Bush one, that had (and successfully executed, to varying degrees) the agenda of enriching themselves and their friends/sycophants/business partners.
What I just saw Bernie do was boost unemployment benefits to unprecedented levels for millions of people impacted by the recent unpleasantness. Quite the head-fake, I guess he'll suck us all dry later?
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(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday March 27 2020, @12:27PM (1 child)
I more or less agree with 1), 2) and 3) but I think 1) is probably a lot harder than it used to be, precisely because there's not been enough of 2) and 3). That and the increasing levels of downsizing, outsourcing, asset stripping, short-termist focus on only the next quarter.
I think the environment probably got even more hostile since '97 although I'm somewhat out of the loop these days. There are always going to be some opportunities for a few talented risk takers. It's just harder to take risks when failing might mean you lose your home or go without food. You were also lucky if it was your skills and hard work that got you those raises. It often rather seems to depend as much as anything on social skills, connections and manipulation.
Yeah that's a bad attitude but I'm sure we could find clueless overconfident youths in every generation. I'm not saying there aren't more of them now--I honestly don't know. All the evidence I've seen has been anecdotal at best. The best thing is to keep treating everyone as individuals and try to ensure every generation has the best opportunities possible. People like the guy you described probably need a few years to learn from their mistakes and grow up a bit more. They may or may not, but failure shouldn't mean starvation and homelessness.
If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday March 27 2020, @02:26PM
In my work from '91 through '03 I came to appreciate the value of taking risks. The only risk I've ever really taken was accepting employment from smaller companies, which, since Ronnie's trickledown started and as stated above - apparently hasn't been any more risky than employment with the bigger organizations. I suppose in today's environment more risks need to be taken, but I still see plenty of engineering students who get on the intern track before graduation and move up from contractor to full time status after a couple of years. In my present company, our intern to perm conversion rate is over 80%.
Social skills have always been important - I somewhat lucked out in '91 to be hired at a firm where the CEO was about 63 years old, even more seriously lacking in social skills than myself, and appreciative of the value I brought. In retrospect, it didn't hurt that his wife was a closet hippie rebel and appreciated my long hair... Of course I didn't know any of this going in - didn't even meet the CEO until I had been working there a month, but looking back I'm sure those factors had more than a little weight in my success.
I think the US/Europe/AusNZ is silently suffering from a mild version of China's "One Child" special flower children issues. We don't have the sex imbalance, but families after WWII got radically smaller, with many more only children, and even two child families give the children much more individual attention than the larger situation where the parents are outnumbered and overworked just keeping up with the basics of daily life. It seems like we should be able to turn this into a big positive thing, but it has created quite a schism where the ideas of "traditional childrearing" with roots going back before WWII (and corporal punishment is a big part of that) are, rightly IMO, being abandoned, but the new ways are literally breaking new ground in a tremendously different society as compared to the 1500-1900 era. My point: it's not surprising we're "less than optimal" in achieving our desired outcomes.
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(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday March 26 2020, @09:42PM (1 child)
Remember the "Me" generation? Yuppies? When Boomers were thought more spoiled than usual? There was this notion floating around that the Boomers could hardly help being extra spoiled and entitled because they didn't have to sacrifice like their parents did, didn't have to live through anything like the Great Depression and WWII, and so didn't come to appreciate how good they had it.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Thursday March 26 2020, @10:24PM
In my family at least, the only children seem to have this DINK Yuppie tendency. Dad divorced at age 35 (I was 15) and became a nearly-DINK from there on.
Reducing family sizes probably drive a fair amount of this reduced empathy, ME generation stuff.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 27 2020, @02:55AM
To be fair, they see it works to make other people very wealthy. Please don't be too hard on them for trying to do their part to boost the economy.