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posted by janrinok on Saturday March 28 2020, @06:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the summing-up dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

We are unabashed fans of [The History Guy’s] YouTube channel, although his history videos aren’t always about technology, and even when they are, they don’t always dig into the depths that we’d like to see. That’s understandable since the channel is a general interest channel. However, for this piece on James Clerk Maxwell, he brought in [Arvin Ash] to handle the science side. While [The History Guy] talked about Maxwell’s life and contributions, [Arvin] has a complimentary video covering the math behind the equations. [...]

Deriving Maxwell’s equations is a math nightmare, but [Arvin] doesn’t do that. He uses some amazing graphics to explain how the equations relate electricity and magnetism. A great deal of our modern world — especially related to any sort of radio technology — builds on these four concise equations.

One thing we didn’t realize is how wide-ranging Maxwell’s interest were. He contributed to astronomy by explaining Saturn’s rings, derived statistical laws about gasses, and worked on color vision, including creating the first light-fast color photograph. He also contributed to thermodynamics, control theory, and optics. Those were the days!


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 28 2020, @02:21PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 28 2020, @02:21PM (#976635)

    pshaw! a fancy symbol nobody understands (curl) and two constants and voila! lightspeed is a constant too.
    then again, duh, the pointer to go faster is right there in them equations: the two "other" constants and how we define/measure them.
    anyways, the whole fun (AND USEFULLNESS) probably would start if some moron would just explain that shitty symbol (curl) already.
    talking about maxwells equation without first explaining the curl operator is like hypeing the usefullness of whole numbers on the vegetable market but totally ignoring addition and subtraction.
    also, methinks the whole thing would be much easier explained with quaternions (yeah! DOOM) but i guess gimble lock is a thing that the "dream police" wants implemented rigorously.

  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday March 28 2020, @02:57PM

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday March 28 2020, @02:57PM (#976647) Homepage
    The symbol is "Del" not curl, or, typographically, a nabla. However, it's syntactic sugar, as "deldot" and "delcross" are in reality two completely different operators, viz. the divergence and the curl you mention.
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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 29 2020, @03:18AM (12 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 29 2020, @03:18AM (#976814) Journal

    also, methinks the whole thing would be much easier explained with quaternions

    It's just the same math no matter how you label it. You have two basic three dimensional vector bilinear operators, inner product and cross product (both which appear as components of quaternion multiplication). When you replace the first vector with a linear differential operator (of form (d/dx1, d/dx2, d/dx3)) acting on the second vector, you get divergence and curl respectively. These make more sense from a differential form [wikipedia.org] perspective. A k-form is basically a mathematical object that can be integrated over a k-dimension subspace (where in 3-dimensional space, k can be 0, 1, 2, or 3). 1-forms are analogous to differentiable vectors, 0-forms are just a differentiable function over the space and in 3 dimensions 2-form and 3-forms are duals which act as differentiable vectors and functions respectively. Gradient is a differential operator that takes a 0-form to a 1-form. Divergence takes a 2-form to a 3-form. And cross product takes a 1-form to a 2-form. You can effectively treat this as one single operator on all forms 0 through 3 with 3-forms zeroed out (similarly, there is a dual operator that goes in the opposite direction). It has the special property that applying it twice returns zero (same for the dual). Every form is zeroed out. This covers the usual identities: the curl of a gradient is zero or the divergence of a curl is zero.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 29 2020, @03:23AM (11 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 29 2020, @03:23AM (#976817) Journal

      And curl takes a 1-form to a 2-form.

      FTFM.

      • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday April 04 2020, @01:08PM (10 children)

        by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 04 2020, @01:08PM (#979017) Homepage Journal

        Correct. Cross-product takes *two* one-forms to a two-form.
        To convert that two-form to a one-form, thereby getting it into the same space as the original one-forms, you need an inner product.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 04 2020, @02:47PM (8 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 04 2020, @02:47PM (#979033) Journal

          To convert that two-form to a one-form, thereby getting it into the same space as the original one-forms, you need an inner product.

          Actually, it's curl again in dual form. Composing the dual curl on the curl yields the Laplacian of the original one form. There's a dual operator (which exists whenever the space is orientable - no Mobius strip-like switching of handedness), usually labeled "*" (with ** = identity), that maps 1-1 and onto k-forms to (3-k)-forms (for the 3-dimensional space case). That means among other things that one- and two-forms actually have the same dimension of 3. Taking "curl" to be the original curl, then the dual curl has form *curl*, and the resulting Laplacian (which ends up the sum of the second derivatives of each coordinate and takes k-forms to k-forms) on a one-form is (*curl*)curl. For the overall differential operator "d" (recall that dd = 0) that acts on all k-forms, the Laplacian is the sum of the two different ways one can compose d and its dual *d* (both which act on all k-forms) as (*d*)d + d(*d*).

          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:12AM (7 children)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:12AM (#979206) Homepage Journal

            I am completely baffled why they didn't teach differential forms by third-year honours math or physics when I went to university. So much simpler than all these vector operations. And they work in other-dimensional spaces.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:44AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:44AM (#979219) Journal
              It's one of the great mistakes of teaching mathematics - I consider it worse than teaching trigonometry in high school.
            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:48AM (5 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @01:48AM (#979222) Journal
              As an aside, here's a link [archive.org] to the online version of Differential Forms: with Applications to the Physical Sciences (Harley Flanders 1963). Excellent starter book on the subject.
              • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:25AM (4 children)

                by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:25AM (#979241) Homepage Journal

                Lovely book.

                • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:27AM (3 children)

                  by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:27AM (#979244) Homepage Journal

                  Misner, Thorne and Wheeler have another introduction to differential forms in their massive tome "Gravitation". Of course there they use it on 3+1-dimensional spacetime.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:55AM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:55AM (#979256) Journal
                    I have that as well. Don't like it as much. Much harder and doesn't do the math as well. But they cover a lot of major topics in general relativity.
                    • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:33PM (1 child)

                      by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 05 2020, @02:33PM (#979377) Homepage Journal

                      But they figure out how to draw pictures of differential forms! Something I haven't seen elsewhere. Useful for those who think visually.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 04 2020, @02:51PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 04 2020, @02:51PM (#979034) Journal
          Sorry, I see what you are asserting. Inner product would take two one-forms to a zero-form (or in the dual form, two two-forms to a three-form).