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posted by Fnord666 on Friday April 17 2020, @02:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the minds-of-others dept.

Vaccine skeptics actually think differently than other people:

In 2000, the measles virus was declared eliminated from the United States. Despite cases coming in from outside the country, there were few outbreaks because most people were vaccinated against measles. And then 2019 happened.

The U.S. saw 1,282 confirmed cases in 31 states -- the greatest number reported since 1992, with nearly three-fourths linked to recent outbreaks in New York, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Most cases were among people who were not vaccinated against measles.

After events like this, many people express confusion about others' hesitancy or unwillingness to get vaccinated or to vaccinate their children, a concept called vaccine skepticism. As vaccine skepticism has become increasingly widespread, two researchers in the Texas Tech University Department of Psychological Sciences have suggested a possible explanation.

In an article published recently in the journal Vaccine, Mark LaCour and Tyler Davis suggest some people find vaccines risky because they overestimate the likelihood of negative events, particularly those that are rare.

The fact that these overestimations carry over through all kinds of negative events -- not just those related to vaccines -- suggests that people higher in vaccine skepticism actually may process information differently than people lower in vaccine skepticism, said Davis, an associate professor of experimental psychology and director of the Caprock FMRI Laboratory.

"We might have assumed that people who are high in vaccine skepticism would have overestimated the likelihood of negative vaccine-related events, but it is more surprising that this is true for negative, mortality-related events as a broader category," Davis said. "Here we saw an overestimation of rare events for things that don't have anything to do with vaccination. This suggests that there are basic cognitive or affective variables that influence vaccine skepticism."

[...] "Do some people encode scary stories -- for instance, hearing about a child that has a seizure after getting vaccinated -- more strongly than others and then consequently remember these anecdotes more easily?" he asked. "Do they instead have certain attitudes and search their memory harder for evidence to support this belief? Is it a bit of both? How can you counteract these processes?

"I'm excited that we're finding basic, cognitive factors that are linked with vaccine skepticism: It could end up being a way of reaching this diverse group."

Mark LaCour, Tyler Davis. Vaccine skepticism reflects basic cognitive differences in mortality-related event frequency estimation. Vaccine, 2020; DOI: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2020.02.052


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Friday April 17 2020, @02:01PM (7 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Friday April 17 2020, @02:01PM (#984108) Journal

    The "think different" guys are those who acritically accept this kind of articles without raising the BS meter to the max.

    "Vaccine skeptics" -> frames the dissenters in one broad category that does not represent them at all. Personally, I don't object to VACCINATION, I may object to THIS vaccine administered to THIS young kid under THESE circumstances.

    You still don't see the problem? let's try again.

    - Hey you, eat this mystery food coming from an industry that routinely kills people and retires cures to sell treatments and...
    - No wai
    - What, are you against NUTRITION?

    THIS is what is article is doing in the first two words of the summary. Need to go on?

    elephant in the room #1 vaccine industry is not a charity org. When vaccination will return to be a basic form of emergency service like firefighting and police in proper republics, then we can discuss it without bias.

    little elephant in the room #2 immunization against measles is the easiest thing ever, and when it was the only method to fight it, the measles virus did not wildly mutate like the proponents of the "y'all need to get vaxxed else deadly mutations" theory posit.

    So, since vaccines are safestest thing ever and work against the dangerous measles, just get vaccinated and let others pay for their different choice. Else, if you think you are the policeman of the world, be sure to ram into any car that is overtaking you cruising at speed limits, because he is endangering himself and society just like antivaxxers. LOL

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  • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday April 17 2020, @02:38PM (3 children)

    by Immerman (3985) on Friday April 17 2020, @02:38PM (#984121)

    >When vaccination will return to be a basic form of emergency service like firefighting and police in proper republics, then we can discuss it without bias.
    How is that supposed to work? By the time you're sick, vaccines don't do much if any good.

    >"y'all need to get vaxxed else deadly mutations"
    Ah, I see, you've been listening to idiots knocking down straw-man arguments like they matter.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday April 17 2020, @04:48PM (2 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Friday April 17 2020, @04:48PM (#984175) Journal

      How is police supposed to work? By the time you're attacked, police don't do much if any good.

      > straw-man arguments
      no I have been confronted with those argument and i replied exactly as I did in parent post.

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      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday April 17 2020, @05:07PM (1 child)

        by Immerman (3985) on Friday April 17 2020, @05:07PM (#984188)

        Police reduce the number of criminals, and increase the risks associated with crime. They don't protect the individual, but they do protect society.

        Viruses don't care about risk, and vaccines don't attack them directly. For bacterial diseases, antibiotics act like police, killing invaders alongside your immune system.

        Vaccines though don't do jack against the disease themselves - instead they're an education for your immune system, so it can learn how to fight the disease before it encounters the real thing. If you don't know how to fight before the real battle begins, it's already to late for classes to help.

        >no I have been confronted with those argument
        Perhaps you have - plenty of idiots on all sides. There might have even been a real argument in there way back when, before idiots played telephone with it until it was mangled beyond relevance.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday April 17 2020, @08:13PM

          by Bot (3902) on Friday April 17 2020, @08:13PM (#984295) Journal

          What I meant is that police does also monitoring other than punishment. Monitoring helps prevention. Sure the virus doesn't care and the vaccine doesn't cure. The details of monitoring prevention and fight against viruses are irrelevant. Either you agree that such a fight should be done at state not private, for profit, level or you provide a reason why the current system is OK.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @02:57PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @02:57PM (#984130)

    Right, because those people that refuse vaccines pose no danger to others. Unless you count those that cannot be vaccinated because they are too young, or they are immunocompromised, or they are allergic the those vaccines...

    We tend to frown on the person waving a machete around in the public square, why should these people be any different?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @04:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @04:44PM (#984172)

      >or they are immunocompromised

      yeah so the immunocopromised is safe once all illnesses we can vax for are dealt with, right? no, they need to watch out for countless others. Which means they have to stay insulated anyway.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @07:24PM (#984880)

    I agree. The doctors have started their own problem. They just state the party line....it's safe. They've had multiple problems with vaccines over the years, but ALWAYS QUOTE THE PARTY LINE.....it's safe.
    It's NOT completely safe. Though the problems are RARE, their ARE PROBLEMS. Here's some REAL ADVICE:
    -Problems are RARE, but REAL!
    -DON'T take the LIVE polio vaccine. The only cases in US are FROM THE VACCINE. The CDC blinded docs have mostly wised up and stopped giving the live version, but there are places. I had to fight for quite a while (decades ago) to get the dead vaccine. The dangers of the live vax was known DECADES AGO!
    -Whooping cough is the only real (likely) danger to a baby. I'd still give the vaccine after 9-12 months and isolate the baby as much as possible.
    -MOST vaccines can be given at 2 years old. They do this in other countries (like Japan). Toddlers immune system is much better developed.
    -Mercury is gone, BUT IT WAS IN THERE AT ONE TIME. YES MORONS, they did use it! Look up thiomersal if your interested
    -DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. Unfortunately it is very hard with raging battle between VAX ALWAYS BAD people and ITS SAFE sheeples.
    Yes I'm yelling, since I get so mad at all these CLUELESS IDIOTS quoting the party line...it's safe. What a bunch of STUPID SHEEPLES!
    I don't know who is STUPIDER, the Never Vax people, or some of the SHEEPLES on this thread. Yes I know stupider is not a real word, get over it.

    If you do one thing, DON'T BLINDLY believe the CDC and at least DELAY giving the vaccines to your kids (BUT do give them). Give them ONE AT A TIME and spaced out so you can watch for reactions, but the doctors will WHINE about having to order "special" versions. Japan seems to give out better medical advice.