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When Jane Goodall witnessed a chimpanzee troop split into two bands in 1974, she called the event a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. Now, a group of chimp researchers fears missing its own once-in-a-lifetime moment because of the coronavirus pandemic. Two years ago, they, too, witnessed a chimp group fission at Kibale National Park in Uganda. The consequences surprised them: Males of one group recently attacked the other and beat up the females. "I would have never predicted that males that have grown up together would be at each other's throats," says John Mitani, a primatologist at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. But he and his colleagues are likely to remain ignorant about how this power struggle plays out over the coming months or even the next year.
Because of the coronavirus pandemic, most of the research team has left the country. Mitani says such precautions make sense for both humans and chimps, who are likely vulnerable to COVID-19, too, according to an 11 April preprint on bioRxiv. But he and his colleagues may miss the rare events that structure chimpanzee society.
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(Score: 0, Troll) by linkdude64 on Monday April 20 2020, @03:07PM (9 children)
She intentionally and purposefully, for political reasons, deceived the world for decades about the nature of primates, closely guarding the knowledge she had that tribes very commonly go to war with each other, and will literally rip their defeated opponents limb from limb. She once described her horror at watching a young-male Chimp A (who she had a name for, but it escapes me) take a rock and smash it repeatedly into the face, ultimately pulverizing the skull, of a chimp who he had looked up to for years while he was growing up. For years, she had dreamed comforting, sweet, mankind-hating dreams, that they were the closest of friends - pure and noble.
Chimps are extremely violent. Humans are extremely violent. Native americans were extremely violent. There is no peace in nature, and no noble savage. She peddled their purity to the world as an example we should hold ourselves to, but leave it to "good intentions" to pave the road to hell. Just like everything else produced by ideologues of ANY hard-line political affiliation, you cannot trust it completely. She is obviously a boon to humanity, but the presuppositions of her lies had ramifications far outside the scope of science. Once a generation is convinced it's only man that goes to war, given an example of peaceful purity in nature, that can lead to excuses for all sorts of atrocities. Luckily, I'm sure only few people were killed in the name of peace ala Once Upon A Time In Hollywood and their hippy squad, but certainly, had she been honest, it's quite possible that the hippies of the 60s and 70s would have taken stock of their own humanity, and possibly realized the real atrocity of the soviet union and communism elsewhere, and possibly have acted quicker to save millions of lives. Her lie infects millions of people, to this day, and its effects cannot be underestimated, given the way she used them.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @04:05PM (6 children)
We have here a perfect example of a typical right-wing fascist rewriting history to fit his convoluted and biased version of reality.
I am old enough to have basically followed Goodall's entire career. When she started her work with the chimps, she was effectively very naive, very idealistic, very "hippy", and it showed in her early publications and documentaries. She wasn't "lying", she was "biased", and this bias, unfortunately, colored her work.
But anyone who followed her work regularly will tell you that she started losing her illusions very rapidely. She started early on to mention the most unspeakable acts she witnessed, but she also mentionned the most beautiful acts of frienship, kindness and love she also witnessed. And if you listen to her today, she refuses to condemn chimps societies as "all bad", for the same reason she refuses to condemn the human race as "all bad". If anything, she claims that what she learned throughout the years is that chimps and humans have more in common than she could possibly have imagined, both in the worst possible and the best possible way.
But clearly, all you know about Goodall's work is what you learned in your little white supremacist circle jerk. The fact that you mentionned the U.S.S.R. and communism but not a word about the horrors commited by Franco's or Mussolini's fascists or Hitler's nazis tells me all I need to know about you.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @04:45PM (3 children)
Guess you're right, "the hippies of the 60s and 70s" should've just invented a time machine and killed Hitler.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Monday April 20 2020, @08:17PM
I could be that USSR and communism were relevant to the time the hippies were active.
The fascists and nazis were from a time before they were born.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @09:53PM
Franco's fascists remained in power until the mid 70s.
Russia's communism started even before WWII, when Goodall was just a child.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 21 2020, @02:28AM
I did that, except his name was Frank in the last go-around. Hitler is what replaced him, and I learned my lesson so we're stuck with him. Trust me, it's better this way. Frank was a real asshole.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @05:15PM (1 child)
"but not a word about the horrors commited by Franco's or Mussolini's fascists or Hitler's nazis tells me all I need to know about you."
and what jew lies are you referring to?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @05:37PM
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2020, @05:16PM (1 child)
https://cas.uab.edu/peacefulsocieties/ [uab.edu]
https://cas.uab.edu/peacefulsocieties/archive/ [uab.edu]
You can rant and rave all you wish, but observations are observations. Humans are NOT inherently violent; some (many) human cultures are.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 20 2020, @10:09PM
I will differ with that. Atrocities have been committed in every country throughout the world, and throughout time, for reasons that make no sense to any rational person. Yes, humans are inherently violent. Humanity carries violence with him, wherever he goes. Forget about any pie-in-the-sky utopia in space, it ain't happening. We'll be tossing assholes out the airlock because they ate the last cannabis brownies aboard ship, and didn't share.
We have our own author who understands at least some of what our future in space will be - http://www.mcgrewbooks.com/Mars,%20Ho%21/Mars%20Ho.pdf [mcgrewbooks.com]
Check out the rest of his books while you're at it - http://mcgrewbooks.com/ [mcgrewbooks.com]
You can thank him for the free education later.