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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 20 2020, @03:16PM   Printer-friendly
from the who-watches-the-watchers? dept.

National security concerns just won out over Twitter's attempt to be transparent about surveillance:

Six years ago, Twitter sued the US government in an attempt to detail surveillance requests the company had received, but a federal judge on Friday ruled in favor of the government's case that detailing the requests would jeopardize the country's safety.

If Twitter revealed the number of surveillance requests it received each calendar quarter, it "would be likely to lead to grave or imminent harm to the national security," US District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers concluded after reviewing classified information from the government. See below for the full ruling.

"While we are disappointed with the court's decision, we will continue to fight for transparency," Twitter said in a statement Saturday.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday April 20 2020, @05:05PM (3 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday April 20 2020, @05:05PM (#985144)

    If a nation cannot survive when freedom of speech is absolute, then stop pretending that it can.

    Nobody who really considered the issues, from the founding fathers forward, ever thought that freedom of speech meant absence of secrets.

    As long as international "diplomacy" consists of falsehoods deniable because of secrecy and as long as "enemies of the state" are such a threat that their pursuit and surveillance requires secret operations, there will be secrets in government including: reading the national post, tapping of phone calls, broad recording and interpretation of wireless signals, and here forward: such digital communications and metadata as can be accessed by the concerned agencies.

    It's nothing new, and it's only as outrageous as the willfully ignorant pretend it to be.

    We should continue to strive for transparency in government and police operations, demand ever greater amounts of surveillance data on the watchers and ever shorter intervals of mandatory release of that data. We can only expect that transparency to become absolute when there are no enemies of the state, and that can only be determined when we have absolute and complete surveillance of the complete population of the world - which is another modern trend, but one which I do not wish to ever reach its absolute logical conclusion.

    In other words: be careful what you wish for.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deimtee on Tuesday April 21 2020, @01:53AM (2 children)

    by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday April 21 2020, @01:53AM (#985309) Journal

    There's a rather large difference between "I am going to keep this secret" and "You cannot tell anyone this".

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday April 21 2020, @02:22AM (1 child)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday April 21 2020, @02:22AM (#985315)

      "You cannot tell anyone this"

      I worked for a company that laid everybody off - the day before Christmas vacation, cancelling payment of the Christmas-New Year week of paid holiday. Then they circulated a letter requesting all employees to sign, individually, affirming - in part - that they would never reveal the existence of the letter and further a ton of employee shall not sue the company, etc. etc. I asked what we get in return for signing? Nothing. Well, then, clearly I chose not to sign - and also withdrew my 401(k) ASAP. If I were of a litigious sort, I might have dragged them through court for unconscionable contract, but I don't think they were faking about being out of money so any judgements won would likely have been in line behind creditors of prior obligations - besides, I have better things to do with my life than continue to play with losers. Which is why we also decided to leave town after that particularly sad episode, it wasn't the first there - but, thankfully, it has been the last to affect us.

      Voluntary gag orders are a thing. National security is a thing. In case of OP, I think National security is a small limp fig leaf attempting to cover the gross abuses of law and order happening behind it, far more ridiculous and egregious than my ex-employer - but, that's the thing about secrets: as long as they're successfully kept, no one will ever know.

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Tangaroa on Tuesday April 21 2020, @09:51PM

        by Tangaroa (682) on Tuesday April 21 2020, @09:51PM (#985567) Homepage

        I asked what we get in return for signing? Nothing. Well, then, clearly I chose not to sign

        A similar thing happened at my workplace. A promotion came with a clause that I would never take the company to court for any reason but would instead agree to "arbitration" by a fake judge of the company's choosing. That obviously nullifies the entire contract and leaves me with no standing if they ever break their side of it. I asked them to strike that one clause. Contracts are supposed to be negotiated, right? I was willing to turn down the promotion and continue working under my old contract.

        They responded by flying a guy out from the head office to tell the managers that I was trying to steal their trade secrets before he took me in for a private interview where he tried to get me to admit to that by asking me questions in slang and slanted terms so that both 'yes' and 'no' would have been an admission of guilt. I politely explained that all I wanted was to change one line in the contract, and if there ever was a legal dispute it would be resolved in a court of law.

        He told the managers that I was angry and a threat of workplace violence when I was mostly just quiet and wondering what the hell he was trying to do because it did not seem like a contract negotiation was coming from his side of the table. He fired me, forbid the other employees from speaking to me, and then tried to get me to sign a statement that I had voluntarily resigned. I refused to sign.

        Then the company sued me to prevent me from receiving unemployment from the state. I did not know about this until my claim was denied because a judge somewhere had already issued a finding of fact that I was not fired and had voluntarily resigned. I learned that this kind of thing does happen, and probably more often than you hear about, and you can't really trust the courts to set things straight.