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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday May 02 2020, @02:20AM   Printer-friendly
from the you've-got-another-fine-comin' dept.

Elon Musk tweet wipes $14bn off Tesla's value:

The tweet also knocked $3bn off Mr Musk's own stake in Tesla as investors promptly bailed out of the company.

"Tesla stock price is too high imo," he said, one of several tweets that included a vow to sell his possessions.

In other tweets, he said his girlfriend was mad at him, while another simply read: "Rage, rage against the dying of the light of consciousness."

In 2018, a tweet about Tesla's future on the New York stock market led to regulators fining him $20m and agreeing to have all further posts on the platform pre-screened by lawyers.

Previously:
(2019-04-27) Elon Musk Reaches Settlement in SEC Tweet Battle
(2018-10-06) Elon Musk Isn't on His Twitter Leash Yet, So He's Taunting the SEC
(2018-09-30) SEC Settlement: Elon Musk Resigns as Chairman of Tesla, Stays as CEO, $40 Million in Fines Paid
(2018-09-28) Elon Musk Accused by SEC of Misleading Investors in August Tweet [Updated]


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday May 02 2020, @06:57AM (11 children)

    by edIII (791) on Saturday May 02 2020, @06:57AM (#989360)

    If your wealth can be ruined by a tweet, then it wasn't real. That's why stock market wealth is complete and utter fucking crap, and why Trump is probably worth a couple hundred million at best. Elizabeth Holmes went from being worth $4 billion personally to peanuts. All based on speculation, and much of that based on bullshit. It's as shallow as Instagram wealth, and based on about as much.

    Imagine explaining that to Ghengis Khan. That he came out of the tent one day, raped a bunch of women, but fucked up and said the wrong thing while drunk. Then he lost everything because of it. There would either be laughter, or he would kill the messenger.

    Reality is that Tesla and Musk lost no real wealth whatsoever because of the tweet. Same real property exists, same amount of money in coffers, same assets. It's amazing that perception propped up by bullshit can create such fabulous wealth from literally nothing, and then it can disappear just as fast.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Saturday May 02 2020, @09:04AM (10 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday May 02 2020, @09:04AM (#989387) Homepage
    I'm not sure what your reporting cycles are, but we might find out in a month that some top execs were bearish and looking for a quick cycle, and/or now plan on doing stock buybacks. To be honest, this tweet looks absolutely totally infinitely more illegal than the one he got (correctly) fined for in the past (the 420 one) - this was nothing part from direct manipulation of the stock price, there's no joke way of interpretting it. That it also harms shareholder value pops a cartridge into the second chambre. Musk truly is mostly an idiot, make no mistake; that he's done a few interesting things shouldn't cloud anyone's judgement, but alas does. Hyperloon.
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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 02 2020, @10:22AM (9 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02 2020, @10:22AM (#989397) Journal

      this was nothing part from direct manipulation of the stock price, there's no joke way of interpretting it.

      So what? Companies do that all the time when they "provide guidance". I think the bigger issues are 1) is it true? and 2) does he profit by that manipulation.

      But then, I'd rather the SEC be burned to the ground than impair the speech of corporate officials on twitter. YMMV.

      That it also harms shareholder value pops a cartridge into the second chambre.

      So why shouldn't the CEO say something, if say, they think the stock is way overpriced? Even in the most aggressive interpretations of fiduciary responsibility, it's not the job of the CEO to support short term stock prices.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday May 02 2020, @10:59AM (1 child)

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Saturday May 02 2020, @10:59AM (#989408) Homepage
        It cannot be true. It can be meaningless, but never true. Its price is its price, the cost at which a sale occurs, it is neither too high nor to low. No reference was made to value, we're presuming that's what the price is in comparison to. However, even then, its price is the perceived future value, by whomever is paying that price. So likewise it can't be too high.

        Given that a business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders, causing the price to drop harms the stockholders' ability to make profit from the stock, it seems a clear-cut violation of the law. So yes, it is indeed the CEO's job to at least not unnecessarily endanger short term stock prices.

        However, my mileage would not vary greatly from yours, I think such clauses obligating the above should be struck from the laws, such that there was no law to violate. But they are there, so they should be disinterestedly upheld. Douchebag CEO? Company won't live as long. That perfectly fits in with idealised Capitalism.
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        • (Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:15AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:15AM (#989416) Journal

          It cannot be true. It can be meaningless, but never true. Its price is its price, the cost at which a sale occurs, it is neither too high nor to low. No reference was made to value, we're presuming that's what the price is in comparison to. However, even then, its price is the perceived future value, by whomever is paying that price. So likewise it can't be too high.

          Well, it's a lower price now.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:08AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:08AM (#989412)

        They raised $2 billion last quarter and forgot to tell investors that it was overpriced before taking their money.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:18AM (5 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02 2020, @11:18AM (#989418) Journal
          Last quarter was also before most of the present coronavirus mess. Things have changed.
          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday May 02 2020, @03:12PM (4 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday May 02 2020, @03:12PM (#989501) Journal

            Things have changed.

            No they haven't. They just repeat.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 02 2020, @03:44PM (3 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02 2020, @03:44PM (#989512) Journal
              No millions of coronavirus cases in February. No Tesla business shutdown in February.
              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:08PM (2 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:08PM (#989516) Journal

                That almost made sense

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:12PM (1 child)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:12PM (#989518) Journal
                  Try thinking. Business world doesn't cycle on three month periods.
                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:24PM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday May 02 2020, @04:24PM (#989521) Journal

                    Yeah, so? Who said anything about three month business cycles? For them, it's a speed bump, and the government is bailing them out. Like I said, a repeat

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