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posted by martyb on Wednesday May 13 2020, @06:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the really-cleaning-up dept.

Australian Broadcast Corp

The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing has been claiming chlorine dioxide is a "miracle cure".

For years it has sold the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure things like autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and now COVID-19.

[...] Following an investigation [...] last week, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) today announced it had issued 12 infringement notices totalling $151,200 to MMS Australia for alleged unlawful advertising of Miracle Mineral Solution and other medicines.

... still a long way to injecting it, right? But maybe that's for The Genesis III Church of Health and Healing


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @06:53PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @06:53PM (#993890)

    Still no SN conservatives screaming about Trump for promoting dangerous treatments. Or at least promoting science over misinformation from Fox & Friends.

    Hmmmmm

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by EvilSS on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:07PM (13 children)

    by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:07PM (#993894)
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:24PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:24PM (#993901)

      Good, people aren't as stupid as Carlin worried. Still though, waiting on conservatives to turn against the worst and most dangerous POTUS to ever occupy the office. But go ahead, continue making excuses, just a prank bro right? How many deaths does he have to indirectly cause with his ineptitude and ignorance before conservatives start condemning him?

      Are y'all really so tribal you'll defend that waste of space?

      I guess it is OK, everyone needs to have their blinders ripped off so they see the bald faced lies, hypocrisy, and death promotion that is the Republican party. They are the worse of two evils, by a large margin, and no amount of "both sides" can hide that anymore. I'd love a reform party that drops the wedge issues and focuses on what we agree needs to be done, but till then we need to tear out the rot.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:57PM (9 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday May 13 2020, @07:57PM (#993909) Journal

        When Obama did stuff I didn't like I just kept my trap shut. Sure, I wasn't out lambasting him because on the balance I thought he was OK. But I wasn't out there defending the stuff I hated.

        That they're so compelled to vociferously defend every single position, even when that position is the direct opposite of what it was yesterday, does make me wonder about astroturfing.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:05PM (7 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:05PM (#993932) Journal

          Regardless of party, there have been things every president did that I liked and didn't like. Shockingly, I have never universally liked or disliked EVERY SINGLE thing any president has done.

          But Trump is uniquely different. He can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Anything he does is to be defended. Even if later the administration says we heard it correctly but he was being sarcastic. They will twist themselves in knots to defend some of the most insane things any president has ever done or said.

          --
          The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:49PM (#993979)

            Not to mention corruption on a 3rd world level.

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:01AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:01AM (#994066) Journal

            Anything he does is to be defended.

            And you know why? Because it's the way Murdoch can exercise influence on the US politics. Trump relation with FoxNews became a symbiotic relationship... nay, actually Fox can survive without Trump, but not the other way around.

            So, how do you like being led from the shadows by your "friend" Rupert?

            No, that's not a conspiracy theory, Murdoch tried it in Australia many times over [theconversation.com], with various levels of success.

            Murdoch, of course, is notorious for meddling in politics. In Australia, it can be traced back to his endorsement of Gough Whitlam at the 1972 election, his campaign against Whitlam in 1975, which was so virulent even his own journalists held a strike in protest, his support for John Howard in 1996, his somewhat ambivalent support for Kevin Rudd in 2007 and his full-frontal support for Tony Abbott in 2013.

            UK and US too [nytimes.com] (warning: makes a long read, save it for a weekend)

            Murdoch used the same playbook in the United States. In 1980, he met Roy Cohn — the former adviser to Senator Joseph McCarthy and a Trump mentor — who introduced him to Gov. Ronald Reagan’s inner circle....Reagan’s team credited Murdoch with delivering him the state that year — Murdoch gave Stone an Election Day printing plate from The Post over a celebratory meal at the 21 Club — and his administration subsequently facilitated Murdoch’s entry into the American television market, quickly approving his application for American citizenship so he could buy TV stations too.

            The Reagan administration later waived a prohibition against owning a television station and a newspaper in the same market, allowing Murdoch to hold onto his big metro dailies...
            ...
            The Reagan administration’s elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, which had for decades required broadcasters to present both sides of any major public-policy debate, spawned a new generation of right-wing radio personalities who were free to provide a different sort of opinion programming to a large, latent conservative audience that was mistrustful of the media in general.

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          • (Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:30AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:30AM (#994120) Journal

            But Trump is uniquely different. He can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Anything he does is to be defended.

            And, on the opposite side,

            But Trump is uniquely different. He can do no right in the eyes of some. Anything he does is to be condemned.

            Those of us who can condemn one, or six, or twenty of Trump's actions, and defend other actions, are in the minority, it seems.

            Note how I can condemn Trump's appointment of Ajit Pai, for example, but I'm often attacked as defending everything Trump says or does. TDS is a serious problem.

            Let us correct your sentence again, differently:

            But Obama is uniquely different. He can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Anything he does is to be defended.

            There were exceptions to the rule, but that sentence applied to most African Americans. To speak any word contrary to Obama's wishes was viewed as "racist". A large number of non-black libruls were the same. Few of them wanted to debate or discuss anything about Obama's policies - Obama could do no wrong, and disagreeing with Obama was a mortal sin.

            So, once again, Trump is a higher level fuckwit who only got elected because the only serious opposition was a lower level fuckwit.

            Isn't it about time we put partisanship aside, and elected some leadership to congress, the senate, AND the White House?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:15PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:15PM (#994199)

              > But Trump is uniquely different. He can do no right in the eyes of some. Anything he does is to be condemned.

              The major part of this is due to PresidentLysol himself, he goes out of his way to say and do things that are polarizing and designed to alienate large portions of the population.

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:49PM

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:49PM (#994300) Journal

              I have not been unhappy in how Trump has treated Israel. I know I am politically incorrect by not hating Israel.

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              The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:45PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:45PM (#994317)

              No. Just, no.

              I understand you were responding to what DannyB said. But both of you are wrong.

              Every President has had his share of persons who will detract and hate every single thing the President does. There have been a vocal minority who have criticized every single action of any given President. There always will be. There will also always be people a minority who unconditionally support the person holding the office of President, and feel the President can do no wrong. It does seem to me that this minority is larger for Trump than it has been for others, but I might be wrong. At any rate, I don't see that you were the person Danny was describing. Maybe you are, but I don't see that. However, you did take the glass slipper and try it on.

              Let's try something else instead.

              Trump is the first President in my memory who absolutely refuses to acknowledge anything he ever does is wrong. Show me one time Trump has come back after being corrected and said, "Yes, I was wrong about that, sorry." You will not find it. That's because this behavior is a symptom. Not a symptom of a made-up condition TDS, but a very real part of the clinical pathology of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder [mayoclinic.org]. It isn't about the truth of any situation, it is that Donald Trump is clinically incapable of acknowledging fault publicly, and most likely incapable of acknowledging it to himself.

              This isn't about you, Runaway. This is about Trump, and Trump having a mental disability that makes it impossible for him to objectively govern as President. This is about Trump's vanity and need for praise. This is about Trump's personalizing any criticism. This is about having a mentally unstable person sitting in the Oval Office, and not in some kind of, "Well, everybody is a little crazy," sort of way but in a literally having a mental condition that he must have his vanity satisfied by others or he will lash out.

              And yes, every single thing he says or does I view in light of that realization. It does make every single thing he says or does suspect as to whether it is correct, because every single thing he says or does is calculated by him to make himself appear to be better, no matter what the objective truth is. It means nothing, absolutely nothing, he says is trustworthy by itself. It means nothing he chooses to do is possible to accept at face value that it will benefit someone else without first bringing benefit to Trump. It means he feels he can do no wrong and is not responsible to anybody but himself, and that is an extremely dangerous place to someone who is supposed to be the chief public servant of the country.

              This is different from every other President I have known in my lifetime. And I will feel fortunate if his term ends, whether next year or five years from now, without him blundering the United States into a major war or burning the planet down to a nuclear cinder just to save his ego.

              If you think that's TDS, make the most of it. Me, I think it's a reasonable fear against having a mentally unfit individual sitting in the Oval Office.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @02:41AM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 15 2020, @02:41AM (#994493) Journal

                The last time I heard anything that resembled "the buck stops here" was Reagan. When our boys were killed in Beruit City by a truck bomb, Reagan took responsibility, and promised to fix the situation. Not one president since has been so bold as to accept responsibility. Not one.

        • (Score: 2) by cykros on Saturday May 16 2020, @05:53AM

          by cykros (989) on Saturday May 16 2020, @05:53AM (#994896)

          Astroturfing, maybe. With Trump, part of what has made his presidency so problematic and scary is how thrilled he is to prey upon the undereducated, all the while convincing them that he's somehow defending their interests. The idea that he's a conservative is laughable; he's a lifelong democrat that switched parties because his bigotry didn't fit in with identity politics and progressivism that took over the democratic party in the last few decades. At the end of the day, he's still opposed to free trade, for executive overreach, and frankly isn't even particularly for low taxes; merely a tax plan that conveniently favors him and those who provide him with support. There are a number of positions he's adopted to appeal more to the social conservative base, such as being pro-life, but that seems more out of not being particularly pro choice, and it being convenient to bring in more voters and play nice with the party he finds himself in. As for his second amendment stances, well, try to bring a firearm into your room at a Trump Tower and see how far that gets you. As for state rights, we see how that goes whenever a governor expresses a will to engage in disease suppression that threatens Trump's own plans.

          Don't expect conservatives to rush out to defend him; his defenders are of his own flock, who you can tell by the fleece they have over their eyes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @08:43PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @08:43PM (#993920)

      So, instead of Trump instigating an idiotic and dangerous hype, we have Trump parrotting an idiotic and dangerous hype? How is that any better for his president's image?

      • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:20PM

        by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:20PM (#993963)
        How and why do I care? I'm just pointing out a fact. Have a problem with that?