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The Genesis II Church of Health and Healing has been claiming chlorine dioxide is a "miracle cure".
For years it has sold the industrial bleach as Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS), stating it can cure things like autism, acne, cancer, diabetes and now COVID-19.
[...] Following an investigation [...] last week, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) today announced it had issued 12 infringement notices totalling $151,200 to MMS Australia for alleged unlawful advertising of Miracle Mineral Solution and other medicines.
... still a long way to injecting it, right? But maybe that's for The Genesis III Church of Health and Healing
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Hacking's just another word for nothing left to kludge.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by anubi on Thursday May 14 2020, @01:19AM (24 children)
Sounds like the fits I have had trying to understand my relationship with God. Amidst a whole bunch of people who profit by sending me down their chute.
While the Bible itself if full of warnings about false prophets.
I am nearing the end of this thing, full of confusion, lacking peace.
At this point, I feel I must go as so guided. I respect all my fellow travelers through life, though, like light, I do not know what it is.
I feel I am near to the end of my stay here, I will be judged. What did I learn? Compassion? Greed? Hate? Very little makes sense to me anymore. I thought for a while everything could be understood. Then quantum physics and the Hubble telescope...and a glimpse of the infinite. It did a real number on my perspectives.
It's now between me and whatever caused me to be.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:00AM (10 children)
Anubi, I say this with all seriousness and without a hint of personal judgment: let Yahweh go. The way to do this is to do comparative religion and see where Yahweh came from, how he evolved over time (there are at least two major paradigm shifts in the Bible alone!), and most importantly, how very much a product of his times and culture he is.
If there is a God, and I believe there is, it is *not* the demonic abomination described either in the Bible or the fragmented, schizophrenic version of him popularized in American Christianity of any stripe. That thing doesn't have the morals of a reasonably bright kindergartener.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Interesting) by anubi on Thursday May 14 2020, @10:58AM (9 children)
Thanks, Azuma.
It would sure make it a lot easier if the financial incentive was not there. As it is, my study and concern about why I am here is muddled by way too many people who profess great wisdom, but their need to fill their moneybags and begging plates inevitably reveals their motive.
You talk about comparative religion. That was the start of my doubting my childhood training, where I accepted whatever grownups hocked up as truth. Then I caught them lying. Sometimes deriving mirth from my gullibility. And me using their lie as a basis for me making bad decisions for their benefit.
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.
I think of myself as spiritual, but that which passes as religion nauseates me. I feel like I am on a circus midway and there's nothing there but a bunch of hucksters trying to get me to play their sucker game.
You tell me you don't believe there is a God? Gee, I can't find God in this mess either. Yet I sense the presence of some sort of creator in everything I see.
That you replied to me trying to share your experience tells me you also have some sort of inner drive to do what you can. From what I can tell, God lives in us, and so guided us same as I feel so guided to do the things I do, including making wrong turns.
Yahweh is the Christian name, but seems to me every sentient being is aware of this inner voice, and is so guided by it.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by VanessaE on Thursday May 14 2020, @07:22PM (3 children)
[meme: "Ackchyually..."]
One nitpick: Yahweh isn't a Christian name. It's just a transliteration of יהוה, from the original Hebrew texts. Seems Christians strongly prefer to write "Lᴏʀᴅ" in their texts instead of a transliteration or one of his other names, for whatever reason (though I suppose it does make it easier for them to intentionally conflate him with Jesus 😛 ). Jews on the other hand, have several names for him, depending on which attribute is in question.
Priests of the day kept the pronunciation of his name, and other "holiest of holies" stuff a closely-guarded high-clergy-only secret, thus it was never authoritatively recorded in a form that common people could memorize (and teach). They generally wouldn't allow common people to even look at his name in their Torahs, lest they learn it and then either use it in vain or write it somewhere unprotected, so that it can be defaced. The correct pronunciation is assumed to have been lost to time, though I suppose there's still some small chance an authoritative source will be discovered some day (assuming the big boss doesn't just show up and set us all straight).
Since no one really knows how to pronounce it, we get these totally divergent spellings, variations in transliteration aside. "Yahweh" is simply the most likely form, according to biblical scholars.
See also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday May 14 2020, @08:45PM (2 children)
The original language in which Genesis was written is Hebrew, and it's a dialect older than the rest by a hundred or more years. In those days, they just wrote consonants, not vowels. Vowels were added later, and so even those vowels in Gods name could be guesswork.
(Score: 2) by VanessaE on Thursday May 14 2020, @10:32PM
They are guesswork, to a degree: vowels weren't really added, so much as described. A few letters, including yod and aleph, are already used as vowels in some places (such as in ישראל, [Y]Israel), and probably since the beginning of the language. Or at least, that use appears to date back to ancient Aramaic, its predecessor.
That aside, each Hebrew letter can have nikud, diacritic marks usually placed below the baseline of the text, which show if that specific letter has an implied vowel and how it's pronounced. I checked several of my printed religious texts, and they're all written that way (which came as a surprise, to be honest).
As I understand it, nikud are not usually used in modern non-religious writing... I guess most people who read Hebrew just go by context, like how an English speaker doesn't usually need a breve or macron to know how to say "lead" (i.e. the element vs. the front position in a group).
Trivia: whether or not nikud are present, some letters can also have a dagesh, a dot which changes the initial consonant sound depending on its presence and position relative to the letter, without affecting the vowel sound (if any).
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 15 2020, @01:22PM
Right, all we really have in there is yod-heh-vav-heh. Still a good guess.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 15 2020, @01:16PM (4 children)
I said I *do* believe there is a God, and I also know it's not the genocidal maniac the Abrahamic religions believe it to be. I don't believe you can prove a negative, but disproving specific claims--and all religions must make these--is rather easy. My conception of God is closer to the Buddhist idea of The Absolute, and it is definitely not personal or egoic; rather, it's the ontological ground of all being and all being-ness, primitive to and therefore containing everything else that exists.
Let me put this clearer: the God-figure of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is either a myth or a demon or both, but by the definition of what it means to *be* God, Yahweh is a failure. Not only is he not God by that very definition, he's basically, to use a topical example, a Bronze-deified Age Donald Trump.
That's not just me being pissy: Trump's behavior resembles an unhinged ancient-near-east deity, and if you read your Bible closely, you'll see signs of the same mental pathologies. Yahweh is very obviously a sadist and a narcissist, for example.
The "inner voice" isn't God speaking. All functioning humans have this. It's not divine, it's your mirror neurons and your theory of mind at work. You're *normal.*
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by anubi on Sunday May 17 2020, @11:02PM (3 children)
Thanks! And sorry for the misquote. My bad.
"If there is a God, and I believe there is, it is *not* the demonic abomination described either in the Bible or the fragmented, schizophrenic version of him popularized in American Christianity of any stripe. That thing doesn't have the morals of a reasonably bright kindergartener."
Even talking about this kind of stuff gets a lot of people's feathers ruffled. I am glad we all aren't conditioned to not question things. Especially if someone's leadership model is in question.
I feel blind acceptance of other people's pontifications will just lead us all into slavery subordinate to those who pontificate.
And I do not want to give up the fruit of my labors to a gasbag.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday May 18 2020, @01:38PM (2 children)
You're missing the point: Yahweh, the Abrahamic God-figure, is either mythological or demonic or both. He doesn't meet any definition of what it means to *be* God, and whoa-hoooo, Dan, do apologists twist themselves into blasphemous eye-watering knots when you get them up against a wall and point that out. "He is good because he is maximally concordant with his own divine nature" is an actual sentence a Catholic apologist said to me.
Leave the Abrahamic religions behind. Not only are they hideous tales of genocide, not only is their God-figure a very obvious product of his time (and a malignant narcissist), but the ideas themselves are blasphemy. No actual God would or indeed could act like that.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by anubi on Monday May 18 2020, @08:47PM (1 child)
You've given me a lot to think about and bring up among other searchers. This does not bode well with established preacher-men, but I often learn a lot if I can get them on a roll and discover ulterior financial and power motives. It usually ends up with me calling them power mongers, and them calling me as led by Satan.
My tag line cites my take on it precisely.
Thanks for confirming I am not being disobedient to God only because I smell a rat and need to personally satisfy my desire for truth. Especially when it is so apparent that many hucksters will do anything for a buck, or get people to get on their bandwagon. Highly skilled masters of leadership and marketing. It's hard to stand up to them and their persuasion.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday May 19 2020, @12:43AM
Anubi, it's *not* about the hucksters and conmen. The God-figure of the Abrahamic religions is demoniacal if it even exists at all. The grifters are an inexorable consequence.
Cruel Gods make cruel men. The screams of the various Inquisitions' torture victims echo throughout history, and every single torture campaign was itself only a small, temporal, worldly version of what its executors wholeheartedly believed their victims would get--and *deserved* to get--for all of literally-God-damned eternity afterwards.
This is not a set of religions with a benevolent or even neutral God-figure. This is a group of death cults, headed by a either a demon or a myth. And on that note, ever ask yourself why the "unforgivable sin" isn't murder, or rape, or child molestation, or even fucking *genocide,* but "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?" That's a very, *very* demonic thing to do: make the one unforgivable sin "calling me out for exactly what I am."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:33AM
If you leave still having many questions, then I think you've done alright :-)
An inquiring mind is normally (but not always) attached to someone worth knowing. It's those folks who think they have it all figured and stop asking questions we should all be avoiding.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:16AM
Try on Post-Theological for size, it fit me perfectly. Here's an overview:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201102/being-post-theological [psychologytoday.com]
From the middle of the link,
My introduction was through this longer (and earlier) article that my father's 95 year old cousin photocopied and mailed to us, I think I read it three times in a row:
https://thehumanist.com/magazine/january-february-2008/features/the-post-theological-umbrella [thehumanist.com]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:55AM (2 children)
Well - if you go before I do, send a post card, alright? Or an email. It would be nice to know if I'm expected to dress casual, formal, semi-formal, or not dress at all. ;^)
A bit more seriously - I'm with you on most of that. As for lacking peace? Mehhh - we'll just have to figure it out when we get there. Kinda like I new job is how I look at it.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 15 2020, @01:17PM (1 child)
In your case, I suggest an asbestos shroud :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @04:12PM
*yawn*
(Score: 3, Interesting) by sonamchauhan on Thursday May 14 2020, @09:13AM
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."
"For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged"
God bless you. Hopefully your journey is going to last quite a while longer, as you redeem the time!
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Thursday May 14 2020, @01:59PM (1 child)
Let me simplify things for you with one tiny piece of information:
There is no such thing as God.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday May 14 2020, @08:49PM
It is possible to have a relationship with something nonexistent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:46PM (4 children)
Some serious suggestions for you, if you want to be both religious and not a jerk:
1. Do some personal study and religious practice however you see it, in your own home at your own pace, rather than meeting up on a Sunday morning to get your religious grounding. After all, that's exactly what Jesus said to do, and remarkably few self-professed Christians actually do that. For instance, if you don't own a Bible, there are lots of places to find them for free online.
2. If you're looking for a group to hang out with on Sunday mornings, try some of the more liberal churches out there like the Unitarian Universalists or United Church of Christ. Most of them are focused a lot more on the "let's help each other out rather than be mean for a change" aspects than the "as long as you say the right things you're good" aspects.
3. If you find yourself atheist or agnostic after all that, so be it. It's OK, really. There's a moment in the Talmud where one rabbi, I think Hillel, explains that atheists exist to prove that real charity is about helping others without some invisible figure offering you rewards for doing it.
4. As a general rule, if someone is demanding money, especially large sums of money, to hear their ideas, they aren't a religious teacher, they're a BS artist. Treat them as such.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday May 14 2020, @08:51PM
My wife told me that. It makes sense.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 15 2020, @01:18PM (2 children)
Does your God drop those atheists into eternal torment for not kissing his ass anyway? Are they just useful disposable one-and-done object lessons for the Twoo Beweevils?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday May 15 2020, @09:33PM (1 child)
Not my deity, but the Talmud is Jewish teaching, not Christian, and from what I can tell the Jewish understanding of death is that when you're dead, you're dead and what's left of you is in the ground and in the memory of people who knew you. In short, they don't really do the Heaven-Hell thing.
The death leading to some kind of judgment leading to some kind of reward or punishment has deeper roots in Greek and Roman paganism than in Judaism.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 16 2020, @12:45AM
The Jewish ideas of the afterlife are more complex than that. The Talmud, by the way, is a lot later than the Torah and does speak of an afterlife...and the idea of eschatology itself is from the Babylonian Exile, when the Jewish elite more or less ate Zoroastrianism whole--now *there* is the most important religion no one seems to know about! The window dressing is definitely Greek and later Greco-Roman but the idea of judgment after death and, significantly, a world-ending apocalypse in which God triumphs over evil and remakes the world, is Zoroastrian to the core. And the "Saoshyant" ("benefactor") looks very, very, very Jesus-y...
Prior to the Exile, Judaism appears to have shared the general Mesopotamian belief in a universal, more or less neutral underworld where everyone went. This makes sense, given their descent from the Sumerians/Babylonians; compare Ereshkigal and her realm of the dead with what the pre-Exilic Jews had to say on Sheol (and note how often the dishonest KJV translates the word as "Hell," a concept that didn't take hold for centuries later!).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...