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COVID-19 resurges in reopened countries; Wuhan sees first cluster in a month:
The World Health Organization on Monday called for continued vigilance as several areas that have eased lockdown restriction began to see a resurgence in COVID-19 cases—and the United States begins unbuttoning as well.
The Chinese city of Wuhan—where the pandemic began last December—saw its first cluster of cases in at least a month. The city began reopening in early April.
The cluster was just six cases: an 89-year-old symptomatic man and five asymptomatic cases. All of the infected lived in the same residential community.
[...] NPR's Emily Feng reported from Beijing that "The rise of such hard-to-detect asymptomatic cases has alarmed public health authorities in China, who have ramped up contact tracing and testing efforts."
China state media announced Tuesday that it has ordered all residents of Wuhan—roughly 11 million persons—to be tested within the next 10 days.
Likewise, the mayor of Seoul shut down bars and restaurants over the weekend—just days after South Korea had eased restrictions and allowed businesses to reopen—due to a spike of 86 new COVID-19 cases. Authorities identified a 29-year-old who visited five nightclubs and a bar while infected with the virus, sparking an outbreak of at least 54 cases, according to NPR. The uptick also led South Korean officials to delay the reopening of schools.
(Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:06PM (63 children)
I been wearing a bandanna lately. I'm not even a little bit worried about catching that shit cause it hates the south and it hates smokers but I do have allergies and people freak entirely the fuck out if you cough or sneeze without your shit masked now. Tomorrow The Roomie and I are going down to Boot Barn and picking up a couple of their cheapest cowboy hats to go with them. It seems like a shame not to freak the bank tellers the fuck out if you're already that close to looking like every bank robber from a western ever.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:16PM
Cool story.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Freeman on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:39PM (16 children)
There was an initial speculation that it might not have much affect on smokers, but newer, more accurate, (I.E. not all china based statistics), show that smokers are actually at risk.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:50PM (13 children)
IIUC the story is more complicated...but I don't understand the way it is more complicated. There is, IIUC, some indication that smokers are a smaller fraction of those who die after being sick enough to be put on a ventilator. Of course, over 80% of those die, so a smaller fraction isn't that significant.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 4, Funny) by khallow on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:57PM
(Score: 1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Wednesday May 13 2020, @11:09PM (10 children)
I never understood the whole ventilator thing. Ventilators are a last resort for when the breathing muscles don't work, if a person is suffering from hypoxia then would standard oxygen not be effective?
It underpins the theory that this is all prep for a world war (or possibly terrorist attack) ramping up the production of ventilators while that seems kinda inappropriate for this particular illness. What they would be appropriate for besides their typical use is keeping people alive who have been exposed to nerve agent.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by arslan on Wednesday May 13 2020, @11:18PM (7 children)
IANAMD, as I understand it we do give them oxygen first, but when their lungs crap out and turn to sponge even more, oxygen through the face just isn't efficient enough, so its ventilators down your throat to try to squeeze more efficiency, its pretty dire at that point.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:29AM (6 children)
The solutoin is HBOT chambers. Patients immediately recover from all the strange symptoms (loss of taste, breathing difficulties, blood clots, etc). After 5 days of 1.5 hrs each day they are back to normal.
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:10AM (2 children)
Or dead, amirite?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:28AM (1 child)
I already know you don't accept "links" and "words" as evidence. So why don't you look it up?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:38PM
Because there would be "links" and "words" anyway. Evidence distinguishes between hypotheses.
(Score: 3, Informative) by captain normal on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:50AM
Let me guess, tomorrow morning POTUS is going to prescribe HOBT chambers (as soon as his company grabs up all the stock in OxyHealth LLC.).
There are precautions and side effects:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy [hopkinsmedicine.org]
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-dont-be-misled [fda.gov]
If you want to volunteer for a clinical trial:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04332081 [clinicaltrials.gov]
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 4, Funny) by driverless on Thursday May 14 2020, @06:53AM
The solution is RPVs, for example from a PWR or BWR. Patients immediately recover from all the strange symptoms (loss of taste, breathing difficulties, blood clots, etc). After just a few short minutes they no longer need to worry about Covid19 symptoms at all.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:55PM
What is that, the miracle cure of the week?
Remember hydroxychloroquine?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:41AM
No it doesn't, because that theory is stupid.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:52PM
Add it to the massive pile of other things you don't understand.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:45AM
It is complicated in the way that TMB is in denial, and cannot understand basic medical science, and is trying to "stick it to the libs", again. Failing badly, btw. Have another cancer stick, Buzzard boy!
(Score: 4, Funny) by driverless on Thursday May 14 2020, @06:47AM (1 child)
Man that Covid19 is tough, if not even the cocktail of poisons in cigarette smoke can kill it, what will it take?
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 14 2020, @10:08AM
I say we take off and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by martyb on Wednesday May 13 2020, @09:55PM (33 children)
That is a common misconception about heat.
A quick look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ [worldometers.info] reveals that Saudi Arabia (which has temps near 100F each day) reported 1,900 new cases today. That's just the first nation that caught my eye. In the USA, chilly Florida has had 1,829 deaths so far, and just up the coast Georgia has had 1,505 deaths. Granted, there's a wide range of climates between the northern and northern parts, but California clocks in with over 75,000 known cases and 1,568 deaths.
Arizona (where it often has daytime highs of 100F) reports 594 deaths so far, and over 12,000 cases.
Do bear in mind that "not dying" does not necessarily mean "having a good time". A week or three in the intensive unit, with no visitors allowed, racking up huge medical bills while struggling to stay alive... Toss in being intubated and most likely on a catheter. yeah, I'll gladly wear an N95 mask rather than take that chance.
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:43PM (7 children)
》 Saudi Arabia (which has temps near 100F each day) reported 1,900 new cases today.
Correlation does not imply causation. The high number of cases in Saudi Arabia is because God hates Muslims.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:46AM (2 children)
God?, when it comes to the Saudis, other Muslims aren't that keen on the guardians of Mecca and Medina (even the ones of their branch of that faith, nominally on their side, the ones that they're funding and arming to attack us infidels..even they're not that keen on their Saudi paymasters)..in fact, the only 'Islamic' people that the Muslims of my ken hate more than the Saudis are the 'fucking Persians'
(Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday May 14 2020, @06:56AM (1 child)
Which I've never understood, I mean is it just because they're not Arabs or does it go further than that? It can't be just that they're twelvers because a lot of the rest of the middle east is too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:39PM
The middle east has a very long history, and Persia was big dog for a lot of it. Why do you think they dislike the west so much? Same reasons.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:18AM (3 children)
"The high number of cases in Saudi Arabia is because God hates Muslims."
Judging by the number of people dying from COVID19 around the world, God hates lots of people.
(Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Thursday May 14 2020, @06:06AM
Judging by the number of people dying around the world, God hates everybody
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Aegis on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:41PM (1 child)
The US tops all the leader boards.
So God hates the United States of America most.
(Score: 3, Funny) by lentilla on Friday May 15 2020, @12:42AM
Those whom the gods love die young. -- Menander [wikipedia.org]
It is also possible that COVID-19 is the end result of a bureaucratic reorganisation in the celestial plane. Lawyers representing the Lord of the Underworld recently filed a complaint that Saint Peter's "Pearly Gates Benevolent Fund" was accepting additional payments via an associated shell company "Styx Incorporated"; over and above the requisite fees and charges; that indeed amounted to bribes to get into Heaven. As a result, many of the Beloved Souls previously admitted with "Platinum Celestation" status have been reassessed and found only to be eligible for "Hades Lite" status.
Consequently there are a large number of vacancies - especially suites adjacent to the "Eighteen Clouds" golf course. The Outreach Committee suggested an accelerated intake over the next few years in order to prevent excessive vacancy which could potentially lead to the Platinum Celestation brand suffering a drop in the all-important "Afterlife Affirmative" ratings.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday May 13 2020, @11:06PM (4 children)
It's more than just heat, but we see a huge difference between states that were cold a month or two ago and states that weren't.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @11:50PM (1 child)
Shouldn't you have posted that under buzzy boy? Or are you carefully maintaining your SN social hierarchy?
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:01AM
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:58PM (1 child)
I bet if you looked at when the first cases were detected in each state you'd have a much higher correlation.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:23AM
Even then climate (and other effects) would manifest in how soon those first cases get detected (more cases means detected sooner).
(Score: 4, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:19AM (13 children)
Ssshhh. Just let Darwin do his work :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:26AM (12 children)
You didn't answer my question earlier. If I just go expose myself to the virus and let it run its natural course so I am immune (and probably for much longer than the vaccine would trigger) are you ok with me not getting the vaccine?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:32AM (8 children)
Go expose yourself to this [vox.com]
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @01:25AM (7 children)
Yea, I would much rather do that than this vaccine.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:16AM (6 children)
> Yea, I would much rather do that than this vaccine.
Where is the "create your own mod" option when I want it? Right now I want the "anti-vaxxer idiot spotted" mod.
More seriously, there is no current vaccine for Covid019. Setting yourself dead against something that doesn't even exist sounds like a fairly major brain disorder.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:31AM (1 child)
So the answer is no. Getting immunity via natural infection by the virus is not acceptable. We all must get the vaccine.
So it isn't immunity you care about, it is people getting vaccinated.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:30AM
Yes, because getting immunity via natural infection means a really good chance of two weeks of suffering with an elevated chance of dying.
It's not immunity we care about, but immunity via a low risk approach.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @06:43AM (1 child)
I'm a different AC than the one you replied to. One need not be an anti-vaxxer to have concerns about a vaccine for this coronavirus.
SARS was a coronavirus, fairly similar to SARS-CoV-2. Candidate vaccines were developed, but animal testing showed that the vaccines led to immune hypersensitivity [nih.gov]. The SARS-CoV-2 candidate vaccine produced by Moderna has apparently produced very encouraging preliminary results [geekwire.com]. Notably, Moderna's technique differs from the SARS candidate vaccines, but is unproven at successfully producing vaccines. But the desire to produce a vaccine quickly has led to some corners being cut, including conducting animal trials at the same time as human trials [statnews.com]. Because of the known issues with the SARS vaccine and the very accelerated trials for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, I have concerns about their safety.
Let me be clear. Vaccines are safe, effective, and necessary for public health. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But I have concerns about the safety about SARS-CoV-2 vaccines. I'd want to see compelling evidence that a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is safe and effective before I'd be willing to receive this particular vaccine. With proper trials and sufficient time to demonstrate their safety and efficacy, I'd be willing to receive a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine -- but I'd want to be damn certain that it is, indeed, safe.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Saturday May 16 2020, @01:49AM
You wrote:
What was supposed to be the problem with that corner cutting? The first phase of human testing is merely to determine the safety of the vaccine in humans. That is, how safe is the vaccine? That can be done at the same time as animal testing to verify the effectiveness of the vaccine. They already tested the safety of the vaccine in animals FWIW. It's faster and riskier than traditional approaches (since human testing tends to be much more costly and effectiveness testing in animals tends to be a common place where rejections happen).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:05PM (1 child)
Now you understand TMB's AC posting strategy.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 15 2020, @11:03AM
You mean the strategy where I don't go full /. and flip the db setting that lets you guys post AC? Cause if you mean there's opinions I'm too afraid to post under my own nick you must be new here.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:00AM (2 children)
There's not enough evidence, yet, to show that all those who have 'recovered' are actually immune. There have been sporadic reports of people either relapsing, or becoming re-infected - but trying to pin down those reports has proven to be quite tricky.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:15AM (1 child)
Why "scare quote" 'recovered'?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:58AM
Not the op, but my guess is that the scare quote is because the reported cases of relapse didn't include a positive diagnosis for the first bout -- my pure speculation is that it could have been a bad case of the flu, followed by CV-19 later??
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:32AM (4 children)
You misunderstand. It hating the south doesn't mean people don't catch it, it means it's notably less severe on average when they do.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @11:22PM (3 children)
Got any citations for that drivel?
Just Trump's "heat kills it" theory?
Why bother trying to educate anymore, just laugh and move on.
Haha, TMB made a funny!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 15 2020, @11:09AM (2 children)
Yes [cebm.net], in fact [news-medical.net] I do [medrxiv.org]. Enjoy the bitchslap.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by chr on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:27AM (1 child)
I was curious and looked at the paper you referenced in medrxiv.org. It's not very convincing in my opinion.
Have you actually read the paper and did it really convince you?
Now, I really am curious about this topic so I wonder if you have any better references?
PS.
A person, 'Bio', had commented the article and I found his critique well founded. His first point was e.g.:
1. I find not including time as a factor in the model bewildering. After all, time is the single most important factor for the number of cases for most of the countries in the model. The model is only log(cases) ~ population + temperature. But for example, in half a month's time, population and temperature won't change much, while the number of cases could increase several fold for some countries. Time is a critical factor to model and is more important than temperature and population. Not including time, the model in the paper cannot be stable. Basically as time changes, your conclusions likely will change.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:46AM
Which? I've read not just that one but several and linked three. I'm not convinced beyond all argument but unless a solid refutation (Of fact not methodology. Methodologies vary between sources.) appears, it's what I'm going with. Google is your friend if it's something you're actually interested in and haven't already made up your mind.
Oh, and dude's objection is irrelevant to me since it appears to have no causal link with temperature but a very likely one with amounts and angle of sunlight, which produces vitamin D in folks, which is less efficiently produced in folks with lots of melanin in their skin, which fits like a glove with what we're seeing.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by sonamchauhan on Thursday May 14 2020, @09:48AM
I recall reading that Covid-19 struggles in hot and humid conditions. Saudi Arabian citizens are probably the world's biggest users of air conditioning (something like 70% of their energy consumption) -- air conditioning removes both heat and humidity, besides encouraging the recirculation of air.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 13 2020, @10:57PM (1 child)
You do realize that wearing a face covering (unless it's something like an N95 mask) won't stop *you* from getting infected. Rather, it's likely that if you *are infected*, the face covering *may* provide a modicum of protection *for other people*.
As such, unless and until testing is pretty much ubiquitous, given that *many* folks who are infected have only mild, undetectable or no symptoms can spread the virus without being aware they might be doing so.
As such, wearing a face covering is about protecting *other people* not you.
Personally, I try to stay at least two meters from other people and I do wear a face covering (homemade cotton mask) when amongst the hoi polloi. When I'm smoking a cigarette however, I remove the mask and will either move away from anyone who might be on a path that could intersect with that 2m radius area around me. If I'm too slow or unable to do so, I make sure to cover my mouth and nose and/or turn away.
Not because I think I might transmit the virus, but because *I don't know* if I might be infected and I am unable to get a test (either diagnostic or antibody) where I am unless I have symptoms, require medical attention, and/or am an "essential" worker (I'm not). I also do so because I'd prefer it if *other people* did so too. Lead by example and all that sort of thing.
It's likely that I will be able to get a test without symptoms/medical care as my locality ramps up testing sites and resources. Probably somewhere in the 45-90 day range.
Just to clarify, I am most certainly *not* telling you what to do. Just sharing my point of view/thoughts.
You'll have to do your own thinking.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:47AM
Yep, with the Buzztard, that never ends well. (See sig)
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:39AM
Bandanna? I thought they said banana.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Kitsune008 on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:41AM (2 children)
Yeah, have gone the bandana route myself.
The first time was entering a liquor store wearing the bandana as a mask. Surreal, I entered and immediately put MY hands up in the air and exclaimed: "This is NOT a stickup, just a restock!"
Fortunately, they knew me well, and just laughed.
*sigh* Mostly though, not an eyebrow raises, here in central Oklahoma...cowboy hats and bandanas, meh, no fun...too normal.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:34AM (1 child)
Yeah, OK don't have a lot of cowboy hats like TX but it damned sure has a lot more than they have here in TN outside of Nashville.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday May 14 2020, @02:35AM
I've got a big-ass sombrero... maybe I should wear it to town... see if I can get myself deported....
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @04:14AM
"I been wearing a bandanna lately."
I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were a Democrat.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:31AM (3 children)
While you're at it, maybe pick up a belt and holster and an old Colt revolver. Complete the outfit.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday May 14 2020, @10:19AM (2 children)
Have a gunbelt and holster but the holster's custom made for my phone not a Peacemaker or Navy revolver. If I were going to carry a pistol, it'd be an automatic, have a long damned barrel, and hold as many rounds as I could find an extended magazine for. Revolvers are for idiots who buy for looks rather than efficiency and effectiveness.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @03:10PM (1 child)
*rolls eyes at the tactical gear dude for taking a silly comment like militia inspection day*
That cammo really makes you disappear, didn't know stupid was one of the patterns.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 15 2020, @11:11AM
It's actually so I don't have to worry about it falling out of my shirt pocket, butt dialing, or sweating into the microphone/speaker. And because it's funny.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.