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posted by Fnord666 on Monday May 18 2020, @10:08AM   Printer-friendly

COVID-19 Has Blown Away the Myth About 'First' and 'Third' World Competence:

One of the planet's – and Africa's – deepest prejudices is being demolished by the way countries handle COVID-19.

For as long as any of us remember, everyone "knew" that "First World" countries – in effect, Western Europe and North America – were much better at providing their citizens with a good life than the poor and incapable states of the "Third World". "First World" has become shorthand for competence, sophistication and the highest political and economic standards.

[...] So we should have expected the state-of-the-art health systems of the "First World", spurred on by their aware and empowered citizens, to handle COVID-19 with relative ease, leaving the rest of the planet to endure the horror of buckling health systems and mass graves.

We have seen precisely the opposite.

[...] [Britain and the US] have ignored the threat. When they were forced to act, they sent mixed signals to citizens which encouraged many to act in ways which spread the infection. Neither did anything like the testing needed to control the virus. Both failed to equip their hospitals and health workers with the equipment they needed, triggering many avoidable deaths.

The failure was political. The US is the only rich country with no national health system. An attempt by former president Barack Obama to extend affordable care was watered down by right-wing resistance, then further gutted by the current president and his party. Britain's much-loved National Health Service has been weakened by spending cuts. Both governments failed to fight the virus in time because they had other priorities.

And yet, in Britain, the government's popularity ratings are sky high and it is expected to win the next election comfortably. The US president is behind in the polls but the contest is close enough to make his re-election a real possibility. Can there be anything more typically "Third World" than citizens supporting a government whose actions cost thousands of lives?


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @11:12AM (13 children)

    by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @11:12AM (#995685) Homepage Journal

    The harms you reprehensible "capitalists" are doing are unfortunately global. And you the harms spread to other native species that cannot live elsewhere. So we'll continue to complain, loudly, until you change your ways, no matter what part of the planet we, or you, are typing from.

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  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @11:14AM

    by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @11:14AM (#995687) Homepage Journal

    Uhhh...

    s/And you the harms spread/And you spread the harms/

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  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:17PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:17PM (#995713)

    Remind me again which country this virus came from?

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @01:03PM

      by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:03PM (#995729) Homepage Journal

      One where the profit motive was likely given a higher priority than the well-being of its inhabitants, be they humans or other species. Just like capitalism, then. Let's note that if we believe the figures, they did a more effective job of limiting the spread of the virus within their own country than most other nations.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:45PM (#995804)

      Remind me again which country this virus came from?

      It doesn't matter. The next one may very well come from NC [nytimes.com].

      It matter more how you deal with (or fail to deal with [google.com])

  • (Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday May 18 2020, @12:52PM (7 children)

    by linkdude64 (5482) on Monday May 18 2020, @12:52PM (#995724)

    Right - the level of poverty for humans globally has gone down dramatically because of capitalism and western medicine, and we all know how merciful nature herself is to pandas and all of the malaria, typhus, and coronavirus victims worldwide.

    Nature is a competition for survival, not a socialist/communist utopian pipedream. Capitalism actually helps people survive. Don't believe me? What was the death rate of birthing mothers before capitalist-advanced modern medicine began to intervene? And before you say Coronavirus only spread because of capitalistic technology, consider the mass extinction events that have occurred many times throughout geological history. Plants were responsible for one of the earliest, when they heavily oxygenated and de-carbonized the atmosphere. Do you think plants are reprehensible? Because plants committed a genocidal global extinction in their race to the top. If you have not incorporated scientifically determined genocidal phenomena into your worldview, I wonder if you could be seen as anything other than a hypocrite?

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @01:10PM (1 child)

      by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:10PM (#995732) Homepage Journal

      socialist/communist utopian pipedream

      FFS. I suppose my comment was a bit unclear. I'm talking about social democracy. Not communism. I don't deny for one minute that there are great benefits to free market capitalism. The issue I have is the level to which it is being deregulated, subsidized and corrupted, and it needs to be supported with welfare and environmental protections which are insufficient and being eroded in the west.

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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday May 18 2020, @01:30PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:30PM (#995745) Journal

        His MO is to conflate the two. And unless he's very wealthy himself, the term for this is "useful idiot." I've never understood the complete, global nihilism it takes to not only act against your own self-interest but willingly take down others in your position with you. And then they have the fucking balls to blather on about how immoral other economic systems are!

        IMO it's a badly- and thinly-disguised case of crab bucket syndrome--ironically, the REAL "politics of envy" (another catchphrase that marks the user as an utter sociopath).

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @01:14PM (3 children)

      by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:14PM (#995735) Homepage Journal

      BTW, when I moved your scare quotes from "reprehensible" to "capitalists" it was quite deliberate. The US and UK have corrupted capitalism to take care of the rich guys and the largest corporations. It's not a free market.

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      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday May 18 2020, @01:56PM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:56PM (#995763) Journal

        True capitalism is never achieved in the same way that true communism never is. It's much easier for the powerful to rig the system so they're the only ones to gain. There's always a tension. That said, a free market system, pure or not, is demonstrably better at delivering material wealth to more people than communism is. We're not even sure that social democracy works as well as its proponents insist, because for the past 70 years European social democracies have been essentially subsidized by the United States, which is not a social democracy but has been footing the massive military bills.

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        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:29PM (#995790)

          Yawn, true capitalism has existed but its failures get blamed on others. Typical capitalism gaslighting.

        • (Score: 2) by Pav on Tuesday May 19 2020, @01:22AM

          by Pav (114) on Tuesday May 19 2020, @01:22AM (#996119)

          Wha? A market is neither capitalist or communist... those ideologies only speak to who owns the means of production. Worker owned CoOPs in the USA are by definition communist! A command economy is where most nations go during wartime or some other existential national emergency. The bolsheviks loved that shit, so they kept it... but it's hardly by definition communist. The whole point of not having a democracy, and a government controlled command economy was because the bolsheviks argued Russia wasn't ready for true communism. For sure, the bolsheviks sucked and were utterly authoritarian... but so were all the capitalist dictators (Chiang Ki Shek, Pinochet, Marcos, the Greek military junta etc... etc... etc...), but a significant percentage of the rest of the world look at Americans like they've grown extra eyestalks when they say communism is by definition authoritarian. Most Western Europeans have had communists in power (yes, in coalition, but that's how multi-party systems ie. actually functioning democracies work). They played a part in Israeli politics (at least before the right took over completely). Communism still plays a part in Indian politics etc... etc... Those communists who wanted to avoid having to combat US propaganda in popular culture rebranded themselves "democratic socialists" to avoid the association with bolshevik socialists who were portrayed as the sole representatives of true communism, though to be fair the bolsheviks loved self-assigning themselves that mantle also. The "democratic socialist" rebranding was a mistake in my humble opinion, and it has become wishy washy and these days is even worn by neoliberal state intervention minimalists simply wanting to manage societal decline.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by acid andy on Monday May 18 2020, @01:28PM

      by acid andy (1683) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:28PM (#995744) Homepage Journal

      And before you say Coronavirus only spread because of capitalistic technology

      I wouldn't say that. I'm not that much of a Luddite.

      Do you think plants are reprehensible? Because plants committed a genocidal global extinction in their race to the top. If you have not incorporated scientifically determined genocidal phenomena into your worldview, I wonder if you could be seen as anything other than a hypocrite?

      The difference is that plants did so via genetic mutations, which are arguably involuntary. When humans do so, it is through conscious choice, with the potential to understand the potential harms they are causing. Surely you can't be condoning the latter?

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  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday May 18 2020, @04:11PM

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 18 2020, @04:11PM (#995894) Journal

    While true, you need to realize that many of those harms are caused by local capitalists rather that by imported ones. International corporations are usually more facilitators of those harms than actual instigators of them. There are a lot of exceptions, of course. And note that some of the invasive capitalists causing harm call themselves communists...or at least are sponsored by governments that used to call themselves communist, I'm not current with what they currently call themselves.

    I think it's clearer if you remove ideology from the argument and say "the powerful tend to take unjust advantage of the weak, to the point of destroying the environment in which they live". That seems to be a true statement...and is true throughout history.

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