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posted by Fnord666 on Monday May 18 2020, @10:08AM   Printer-friendly

COVID-19 Has Blown Away the Myth About 'First' and 'Third' World Competence:

One of the planet's – and Africa's – deepest prejudices is being demolished by the way countries handle COVID-19.

For as long as any of us remember, everyone "knew" that "First World" countries – in effect, Western Europe and North America – were much better at providing their citizens with a good life than the poor and incapable states of the "Third World". "First World" has become shorthand for competence, sophistication and the highest political and economic standards.

[...] So we should have expected the state-of-the-art health systems of the "First World", spurred on by their aware and empowered citizens, to handle COVID-19 with relative ease, leaving the rest of the planet to endure the horror of buckling health systems and mass graves.

We have seen precisely the opposite.

[...] [Britain and the US] have ignored the threat. When they were forced to act, they sent mixed signals to citizens which encouraged many to act in ways which spread the infection. Neither did anything like the testing needed to control the virus. Both failed to equip their hospitals and health workers with the equipment they needed, triggering many avoidable deaths.

The failure was political. The US is the only rich country with no national health system. An attempt by former president Barack Obama to extend affordable care was watered down by right-wing resistance, then further gutted by the current president and his party. Britain's much-loved National Health Service has been weakened by spending cuts. Both governments failed to fight the virus in time because they had other priorities.

And yet, in Britain, the government's popularity ratings are sky high and it is expected to win the next election comfortably. The US president is behind in the polls but the contest is close enough to make his re-election a real possibility. Can there be anything more typically "Third World" than citizens supporting a government whose actions cost thousands of lives?


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday May 18 2020, @02:17PM (8 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 18 2020, @02:17PM (#995781) Journal

    Failure to clear brush and fight fires is not laudable.

    You're an idiot if you imagine you can know better from the distance what the conditions were here.
    At least, have the decency and inform yourself however minimally [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday May 18 2020, @02:56PM (4 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday May 18 2020, @02:56PM (#995815) Journal

    You're the idiot if you cannot get that my point was he was praising how great Australia is at managing its affairs after complaining a couple months ago how Australia is ruined because of brush fires. (Sorry, I do not mean to call you an idiot because I know you are not one, but you did call me one)

    See, I think it's less deterministic. Countries do some things well, and other things poorly. Sometimes the strategies they choose ultimately work, and are praised afterward; sometimes the strategies they choose fail, and are panned afterward as ridiculous or evil or worse. Some countries choose better across many areas over time, and thrive, others fail at most and decline. Some countries that fare well for a time lose that Eye of the Tiger and disappear. Others hit their stride and succeed.

    It's all armchair quarterbacking, if we're honest.

    But, yeah, I'm not impressed with brush fires because I grew up in the Rockies which have "devastating," "catastrophic," "worst fire season EVAR!!!" forest fires every summer. BFD. You shrug and get on with life. It's the same as a Texan scoffing at New Yorkers who got their panties in a bunch over the minor Hurricane Sandy. Or like Australians listening to people screaming about black widow spiders, or something.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday May 18 2020, @03:15PM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 18 2020, @03:15PM (#995832) Journal

      You're the idiot if you cannot get that my point was he was praising how great Australia is at managing its affairs after complaining a couple months ago how Australia is ruined because of brush fires. (Sorry, I do not mean to call you an idiot because I know you are not one, but you did call me one)

      I did it because you tabled a patently false claim as the main cause for 2019/2020 megablazes - govt or not, nothing you can do to clean that bush after 3 years+ of draught and when the fire season starts 5 months in advance of the usual (June instead of October).

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday May 18 2020, @03:27PM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday May 18 2020, @03:27PM (#995850) Journal

        And he tabled a patently false claim that the government is to blame (or praise) for how the coronavirus has spread and affected regions around the world. But you want to take the one, but not the other.

        In fact I don't blame Australia for how bad its brush fires were. They were worse than authorities there were prepared for. Yes, they could have said, "gosh, we're in a multi-year drought and could be looking at a really bad fire season, so we better triple our budgets for fire-fighting in preparation." But that's not how governments work in the real world. Occasionally they can prepare well, but mostly they're reactive. In Western America there are frequent droughts, so they're more prepared to handle them. It's not because they're more special or smarter than Australia is, but because it's within the range of what they expect and are used to it.

        Is that a shocking or particularly controversial thing to say?

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday May 18 2020, @03:35PM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 18 2020, @03:35PM (#995860) Journal

          But you want to take the one, but not the other.

          Come on. You know well the handling of corona situation in US has been so sub-optimal it isn't very hard to do much better.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:51AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:51AM (#996209) Journal
            Point is that it could be a lot more sub-optimal too. For example, I count at least eight [jhu.edu] European countries with higher covid deaths per capita.
  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:42AM (2 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:42AM (#996207) Journal

    You're an idiot if you imagine you can know better from the distance what the conditions were here.

    Well, how much further away was Phoenix666 than you? I don't see how living in a country means you know anything at all about their wildfire policy, to name an obvious example. Meanwhile, one can google [soylentnews.org] for said policy and get a better idea in a few minutes - assuming they can read English, no matter where in the world they happen to live.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 19 2020, @12:57PM (1 child)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday May 19 2020, @12:57PM (#996304) Journal

      People who live in New York are utterly ignorant about how to farm, ranch, log, make anything, get their hands dirty, and so on. But they are sure they know everything about what the rest of the country needs.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:27PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:27PM (#996445) Journal
        But did they spend a few minutes thinking or even googling what the rest of the country needs?