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posted by martyb on Tuesday May 26 2020, @08:23AM   Printer-friendly
from the are-you-asleep? dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

The study published today in Physical Review Research describes how tools from physics and complexity theory were used to determine the level of consciousness in fruit flies.

"This is a major problem in neuroscience, where it is crucial to differentiate between unresponsive vegetative patients and those suffering from a condition in which a patient is aware but cannot move or communicate verbally because of complete paralysis of nearly all voluntary muscles in the body," said study author Dr. Kavan Modi, from the Monash University School of Physics and Astronomy.

[...] "Our technique allows us to distinguish between flies that have been anesthetized and those that have not, by calculating the time-complexity of the signals," said Dr. Modi.

[...] The research team studied the brain signals produced by 13 fruit flies both when they were awake and when they were anesthetized. They then analyzed the signals to see how complex they were.

"We found the statistical complexity to be larger when a [fly] is awake than when the same [fly] is anaesthetized," Dr. Modi said.

[...] The researchers concluded that applying a similar analysis to other datasets, in particular, human EEG data could lead to new discoveries regarding the relationship between consciousness and complexity.

Journal Reference
Roberto N. Muñoz, et. al. General anesthesia reduces complexity and temporal asymmetry of the informational structures derived from neural recordings in Drosophila, Phys. Rev. Research 2, 023219 (2020)

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  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Tuesday May 26 2020, @02:24PM (2 children)

    by acid andy (1683) on Tuesday May 26 2020, @02:24PM (#999217) Homepage Journal

    Although to be fair to you, it's a slippery concept to describe in informal English. Someone can make a case that words like "vivid", "qualitative" and "experience" could apply to an unconscious P-zombie as well. I mean, if their objectively observable physical behavior is identical to a conscious being, they'd even be able to talk about how vivid their qualitative first person experiences are. It seems to be a concept that people either get or they don't, no matter how hard you try to describe it.

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  • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday May 27 2020, @01:09PM (1 child)

    by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday May 27 2020, @01:09PM (#999601) Journal

    I would classify people who don't get the concept as p-zombies.

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    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday May 27 2020, @04:01PM

      by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday May 27 2020, @04:01PM (#999727) Homepage Journal

      I like that idea too but taken seriously, it depends on whether or not the private, first person inner life can change the outcome of physical events (a type of free will). If the p-zombie's conscious twin can write about the existence of their inner life but the p-zombie cannot, then it suggests that first person experience is actually not so private after all.

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