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posted by martyb on Friday June 05 2020, @12:03AM   Printer-friendly
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FiveThirtyEight is covering the efficacy of fact-checking and other methods to combat the spread of misinformation and disinformation. Fact-checking, after the fact, is better than nothing, it turns out. There are some common factors in the times when it has been done successfully:

Political scientists Ethan Porter and Thomas J. Wood conducted an exhaustive battery of surveys on fact-checking, across more than 10,000 participants and 13 studies that covered a range of political, economic and scientific topics. They found that 60 percent of respondents gave accurate answers when presented with a correction, while just 32 percent of respondents who were not given a correction expressed accurate beliefs. That’s pretty solid proof that fact-checking can work.

But Porter and Wood have found, alongside many other fact-checking researchers, some methods of fact-checking are more effective than others. Broadly speaking, the most effective fact checks have this in common:

  1. They are from highly credible sources (with extra credit for those that are also surprising, like Republicans contradicting other Republicans or Democrats contradicting other Democrats).
  2. They offer a new frame for thinking about the issue (that is, they don’t simply dismiss a claim as “wrong” or “unsubstantiated”).
  3. They don’t directly challenge one’s worldview and identity.
  4. They happen early, before a false narrative gains traction.

It is as much about psychology as actually rebutting the disinformation because factors like partisanship and worldview have strong effects, and it is hard to reach people inside their social control media echo chambers from an accurate source they will accept.

[Though often incorrectly attributed to Mark Twain, one is reminded of the adage: “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”. --Ed.]

Previously:
(2020) Nearly Half of Twitter Accounts Pushing to Reopen America May be Bots
(2019) Russians Engaging in Ongoing 'Information Warfare,' FBI Director Says
(2019) How Fake News Spreads Like a Real Virus
(2019) More and More Countries are Mounting Disinformation Campaigns Online
(2019) At Defcon, Teaching Disinformation Campaigns Is Child's Play
(2018) Why You Stink at Fact-Checking
(2017) Americans Are “Under Siege” From Disinformation
(2015) Education Plus Ideology Exaggerates Rejection of Reality


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  • (Score: 2) by driverless on Friday June 05 2020, @01:18AM (19 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:18AM (#1003483)

    When Trump makes posts suggestive of his supporters assaulting political enemies the next week we get a story of just that happening.

    Admittedly there's a long history of that going back to at least the early middle ages [wikipedia.org].

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Friday June 05 2020, @01:26AM (18 children)

    by Immerman (3985) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:26AM (#1003488)

    Yep, which is why it's disingenuous to do such a thing and then claim you were "just joking". Also why any politician worthy of respect refrains from calls to violence against their political opposition. They know such calls will almost certainly be answered.

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 05 2020, @01:27PM (17 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:27PM (#1003710) Journal

      You mean like this [tmz.com], guys?

      How about an elected member of Congress calling on her supporters [realclearpolitics.com] to harass members of Trump's cabinet?:

      Waters finished with a call to action: "If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. You push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!"

      There is a lot of willful escalation of violence that immediately came from the Democratic Party and its Woke, and has not let up since.

      The people in this sub-thread who are nodding at how bad Trump is should pause and do a little self-reflection on what their confreres have been saying and doing.

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      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday June 05 2020, @02:24PM (1 child)

        by Immerman (3985) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:24PM (#1003754)

        Ah yes, because telling THE PEOPLE CAUSING THE PROBLEM that they're not welcome is just like shooting at peaceful protestors calling for liberty and justice.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @04:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @04:03AM (#1004073)

          P666 has left the reservation and joined the imperialist murderers. I'm not sure what to make of these assholes, they are either completely clueless boomers who believe every lie the conservative media peddles or they are agent provocateurs who have been building personas in order to push "grassroots" style propaganda.

          I don't know, I'm just glad the vast majority of the US has moved past the point of even considering their bullshit. At best they are affecting those who are already leaning their way, and at worst they are trying to inspire actual violence to destabilize the US.

      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday June 05 2020, @02:31PM (4 children)

        by Immerman (3985) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:31PM (#1003755)

        As for the over-the top stuff like your link - did anything in my post make you think I was only talking about Trump and his cronies as politicians not worthy of respect?

        However, the fact that the current situation was a pretty obvious high-probability outcome from before he was elected is the reason a whole lot of people have been protesting him so vehemently since before he came to office. This is what he does, it's what he did the entire time he was on the campaign trail, and he's only been ratcheting up the rhetoric ever since.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:41AM (3 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:41AM (#1004148) Journal

          As for the over-the top stuff like your link - did anything in my post make you think I was only talking about Trump and his cronies as politicians not worthy of respect?

          Yes, those links were over the top, but they were made that way by those who said or did them. I did not embellish at all. That kind of language began immediately in Trump's term. Before Trump took office, Obama was working to undermine his administration with the Russiagate investigation. All that was said and done because they didn't like Trump.

          Trump warned rioters against rioting, that is, responding to actual violence, and suddenly he's the one "inciting violence." It's preposterous. It's absurd. It offends common sense.

          However, the fact that the current situation was a pretty obvious high-probability outcome from before he was elected is the reason a whole lot of people have been protesting him so vehemently since before he came to office. This is what he does, it's what he did the entire time he was on the campaign trail, and he's only been ratcheting up the rhetoric ever since.

          You're insinuating that it was some plan of his to bring things to this pass. Are you blaming him for the coronavirus? Are you blaming him for the lockdowns instituted by Democratic mayors and governors in New York, California, and Michigan? Are you blaming him for the sudden, massive unemployment and economic implosion that caused? Are you blaming him for what some cops in Minneapolis did, a Democratic town in a Democratic state?

          I know all this is talking to the wind, because what remains of the Democrats in America has descended into gibbering madness. They have gone five times more insane than Republicans went when Obama was president, and that's saying something.

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          • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Immerman on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:27PM (2 children)

            by Immerman (3985) on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:27PM (#1004245)

            The man's been goading violence since his election rallies. It rouses his base - but damages the country.

            I'm insinuating no plan - just projecting from existing trend lines. We can all see how he chooses to rouse his base, how he reacts to challenges, what interests he prioritizes. When the man at the helm consistently steers in a certain general direction, you're going to end up certain kinds of places. The particulars almost don't matter.

            As for COVID and the reactions - his lack of strong leadership on the issue does impose some responsibility - but basically, once it got well and truly loose in the world we were pretty much economically screwed regardless of what happened - we need only look at the 1918 flu and earlier pandemics to see that. They're all economically devastating because people don't want to get seriously ill and maybe die, regardless of whether there's an official shutdown. The only real question becomes whether you want to shut down officially, or wait until enough people have died that you shut down unofficially. In fact, in 1918 it was mostly those places that shut down soonest and stayed shut down the longest that where in the strongest economic position afterwards, and recovered the fastest.

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 09 2020, @02:31PM (1 child)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @02:31PM (#1005191) Journal

              The man's been goading violence since his election rallies. It rouses his base - but damages the country.

              That's your interpretation. Another interpretation is that he tapped into the anger of middle class voters who have felt the American Dream slipping away from them for 40 years. He tapped into that especially acute anger of those voters in the Rust Belt. And he must have struck a chord with them because he won those states.

              I'm insinuating no plan - just projecting from existing trend lines. We can all see how he chooses to rouse his base, how he reacts to challenges, what interests he prioritizes. When the man at the helm consistently steers in a certain general direction, you're going to end up certain kinds of places. The particulars almost don't matter.

              And we've seen exactly what his opponents in the Establishment have been doing to rouse their base. They began before Trump took office, when Obama ordered the investigation of Trump's team for Russian interference. That is literal sedition, by the way, to interfere with the lawful democratic transition of power. And they have not let up since. They arrested his personal lawyer to try to dig up dirt on him. They used entrapment on Michael Flynn to destroy him as the incoming National Security Advisor, for fuck's sake. Then they tried to impeach him over Ukraine.

              What do those trend lines tell you?

              In fact, in 1918 it was mostly those places that shut down soonest and stayed shut down the longest that where in the strongest economic position afterwards, and recovered the fastest.

              The jury is still out on that. The WHO started off praising China's brutal lockdown, wherein they welded people inside their apartments such that they starved to death. Now the WHO says Sweden's approach is the model, which was no lockdown at all. Meanwhile in the US, Trump banned flights from Wuhan early on, so because they think he's a racist figures like New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio encouraged everybody to go out and mingle in Chinese New Year festivities around the city.

              And so far, the lockdowns in America have directly or indirectly produced widespread riots and looting, which are generating a second round of urban flight that will dwarf what happened in the 50's and 60's. After all, why would anyone continue to own a home or operate a business in a city whose mayor and city council are trying to de-fund police such that nobody will protect them? Why would you continue to pay the highest taxes in the country for that? The schools are all closed, but those employees all want to continue to get paid tens of billions of dollars every year to do nothing, and meanwhile the tax burden falls on fewer and fewer parents' shoulders.

              Watch those trend lines. We are living in the middle of history of what could well be the sharpest, deepest implosion of wealth and weal for American cities that has ever occurred, worse, even than post-1929.

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              • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday June 09 2020, @03:58PM

                by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @03:58PM (#1005220)

                Yes, he tapped into existing anger - and directed it at the powerless rather than the people that created the problem with a half century of rapidly increasing wealth inequality that has reached levels not seen since the days of the Robber Barons. An easy way to score political points at the expense of destabilizing the country.

                If you can't see how incriminating this administration's behavior has been, since before the election, and all through the laughable "investigations" that he blocked at every turn, nothing I say here will change your mind, so I won't bother.

                >And so far, the lockdowns in America have directly or indirectly produced widespread riots and looting,
                If you think the protests are because of the lockdowns, you're a blind fool. The protests are decades overdue, and Trump's normalization of racism and authoritarianism has just poured fuel on the fire.

                You also seem to be buying in to the Republican talking point that defunding the police means disbanding them - rather than the actual point of removing the funding for militarization that has turned them into authoritarian thugs over the course of the calamitous "war on drugs", and shifting that money into things that actually reduce crime by tackling poverty and mental health. Whether you have any sympathy for black people at all, I would hope you'd object to the routine (though much less rarely publicized) assault and murder of white people. Black people are on the front lines of that abuse, but the authoritarian abuse that starts with the weak inevitably spreads to everyone else. This is the first time in my lifetime that people are seriously talking about reversing a trend that's been destroying the trustworthiness of cops for many decades. Hell, you remember when their motto was "To Protect and Serve?" It wasn't especially true then, but all

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:14PM (#1003962)

        Is that Trump cock tasty or what, Phoenix?

        Gobble Gobble!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:17PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:17PM (#1003964)

        There's a world of difference between "You push back on them. Tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere!" and "When the looting starts, the shooting starts."

        One is encouraging people to exercise their First Amendment rights. The other is encouraging folks to shoot other people.

        I understand why you can't tell how this is different, as it's hard to get enough oxygen to the brain with Trump's cock so firmly down your throat. But that doesn't make it right.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday June 06 2020, @10:12AM (7 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday June 06 2020, @10:12AM (#1004135) Journal

          I'm still waiting for you to explain away Kathy Griffin holding Trump's bloody head as somehow not inciting violence. But it must be hard for you to get enough oxygen to the brain with Joe Biden's cock so firmly down your throat. I mean, hey, if a crass metaphor is the level you want to converse at, then surely you don't mind having it reflected back at you, amirite?

          Reasonable people know that if there is general looting, and it is not stopped by law enforcement, then it rapidly escalates to arson, assault, and murder. And so it has. But, no, I get it, you are all about the feelz and not about facts or the evidence of your lying eyes.

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          • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:39PM (1 child)

            by Immerman (3985) on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:39PM (#1004250)

            She sort of was. But Kathy Griffin is a comedian, not the president of the most powerful country in the world, or even a two-bit politician. She has no authority except over a small cadre of fans who give it to her. Trump does. With great power comes great responsibility.

            She was also not calling for violence against the downtrodden, but against one of the most powerful and best-defended people in the world. You might get a few nutters who decide to take a stab at it, but they'll almost certainly fail. Contrast that with riling up bullies to kick down at those least able to defend themselves.

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:39PM

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:39PM (#1005164) Journal

              On the other hand, you have "looting leads to shooting" which is a vague, non-specific statement that can be interpreted to mean, "if you break the law, the cops will crack down."

              That's versus a specific threat of violence.

              The first the press hyperventilates about, the second, crickets. Funny how that works.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @08:05PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @08:05PM (#1004307)

            I'm still waiting for you to explain away Kathy Griffin holding Trump's bloody head as somehow not inciting violence.

            I don't need to explain what she says or does. If you want an explanation about that ask her. Besides, who cares what some has-been comedian has to say? I certainly don't.

            But it must be hard for you to get enough oxygen to the brain with Joe Biden's cock so firmly down your throat. I mean, hey, if a crass metaphor is the level you want to converse at, then surely you don't mind having it reflected back at you, amirite?

            The metaphor, of course, implies strong support and mindless servility. Neither applies to me WRT Biden.

            I don't believe I've ever tried to minimize the impact of *anything* Biden has said or done. Nor have I written anything here that endorses him. In fact, he was never in my top three D candidates for the Presidential nomination.

            I have never in my life voted for Joe Biden. And when the primary comes up in a couple weeks, I will most likely vote for Bernie Sanders. If he's not still on the ballot, I'll vote for Amy Klobuchar. If *she's* not still on the ballot, I'll vote for Elizabeth Warren.

            Come November, that will be a different story. But that has more to do with who he's running against. In fact, I'd vote for a syphilitic goat before I vote for your hero.

            Reasonable people know that if there is general looting, and it is not stopped by law enforcement, then it rapidly escalates to arson, assault, and murder. And so it has. But, no, I get it, you are all about the feelz and not about facts or the evidence of your lying eyes.

            How, exactly, do you define "general looting"?

            And based on *that* definition, where is this "general looting" *currently* happening?

            Do tell.

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 09 2020, @01:04PM (1 child)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @01:04PM (#1005170) Journal

              I don't need to explain what she says or does. If you want an explanation about that ask her. Besides, who cares what some has-been comedian has to say? I certainly don't.

              And yet you feel perfectly qualified to interpret what is the mind of Trump, whom you have never met.

              The metaphor, of course, implies strong support and mindless servility. Neither applies to me WRT Biden.

              Ah, but you're certain your metaphor applies to me. You don't know me. You don't know what I think. You suppose. You're young, jejeune, foolish, or a blinkered partisan, based on how and what you are writing, but we would need to actually know you to establish that, in fact, you are all four.

              I don't believe I've ever tried to minimize the impact of *anything* Biden has said or done. Nor have I written anything here that endorses him. In fact, he was never in my top three D candidates for the Presidential nomination.

              I have never in my life voted for Joe Biden. And when the primary comes up in a couple weeks, I will most likely vote for Bernie Sanders. If he's not still on the ballot, I'll vote for Amy Klobuchar. If *she's* not still on the ballot, I'll vote for Elizabeth Warren.

              So you're ABB (Anybody But Biden), but sadly in his latest crowd of challengers that is no recommendation, but rather a further indictment of your judgement. I voted for Bernie in the last, rigged, primary against Hillary, but today he is a sad creature. Once upon a time I would have bled for Elizabeth Warren, but she chose not to run last time against Bernie and Hillary; and this time she is also different, pitiful creature, a victim of Clintonian demonic possession. Amy Klobuchar is who? If she's got your vote then you are desperate.

              Come November, that will be a different story. But that has more to do with who he's running against. In fact, I'd vote for a syphilitic goat before I vote for your hero.

              He is not my hero, he is my molotov cocktail. That is, he is not an avatar, but a weapon. I threw him against the Establishment that has been rigging every game against all of us for decades, and he has not yet burned nearly long enough. He must be re-elected for no other purpose but to underscore a rejection of their hegemony. After him, another like him, too.

              But this line, and this sentiment of yours, has rather settled the question of who you are, which is the spiritual successor of those who crowed that Walter Mondale would wipe Ronald Reagan out.

              How, exactly, do you define "general looting"?

              Sigh. There's a book called a "dictionary" that can avail you.

              There has been looting across the country, most often in tandem with legitimate protests against George Floyd's death and police brutality. New York, LA, Chicago, Minneapolis, etc. The legacy media has glossed over much of it, but even they reported looting of Macy's and stores along Fifth Avenue in New York. You can look up the incidents, but you won't because you only care about the feelz.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 09 2020, @03:39PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 09 2020, @03:39PM (#1005213)

                Sigh. There's a book called a "dictionary" that can avail you.

                There has been looting across the country, most often in tandem with legitimate protests against George Floyd's death and police brutality. New York, LA, Chicago, Minneapolis, etc. The legacy media has glossed over much of it, but even they reported looting of Macy's and stores along Fifth Avenue in New York. You can look up the incidents, but you won't because you only care about the feelz.

                Where has any of that happened since *days* before I posted the comment you just replied to?

                Exactly. It's you going with the feelz, not me.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:10PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:10PM (#1004557)

            Whatabout?

            Whatabout!

            What a bout? You got knocked the fuck out!

            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:42PM

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 09 2020, @12:42PM (#1005165) Journal

              What a bout? You got knocked the fuck out!

              Well, you're welcome to try. No nebbish am I.

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