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posted by martyb on Friday June 05 2020, @04:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-elephant-in-the-room dept.

A serious divide exists among Trump advisers over how to address nights of protests and riots in US after Floyd's death

Trump is being urged by some advisers to formally address the nation and call for calm, while others have said he should condemn the rioting and looting more forcefully or risk losing middle-of-the-road voters in November, according to several sources familiar with the deliberations.

[...] During a staff call Friday, Trump's top domestic policy aide Brooke Rollins argued for a measured response to riots the night before, advice that was echoed by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Several advisers feared, and hoped to avoid, another Charlottesville moment, when Trump was criticized after declaring in 2017 that "very fine people" were among the Nazi mobs that descended upon Charlottesville, Virginia.

[...] While aides like Kushner have pushed for a more restrained response, Trump is also hearing from several advisers who warned that by not condemning the protests after the death of Floyd, an unarmed 46-year-old black man, that turned into rioting and looting, he is risking losing some demographics that will be key to his election victory in November, like suburban women voters.

As Protests and Violence Spill Over, Trump Shrinks Back

The president spent Sunday out of sight, berating opponents on Twitter, even as some of his campaign advisers were recommending that he deliver a televised address to an anxious nation.

how the George Floyd protests left Donald Trump exposed

“Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims. I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon – and I mean very soon – come to an end.”
These were the words of Donald Trump, not in May 2020 but July 2016, as he accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the national convention in Cleveland.

[...] Not even Trump’s harshest critics can blame him for a virus believed to have come from a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan, nor for an attendant economic collapse, nor for four centuries of slavery, segregation, police brutality and racial injustice.

But they can, and do, point to how he made a bad situation so much worse. The story of Trump’s presidency was arguably always leading to this moment, with its toxic mix of weak moral leadership, racial divisiveness, crass and vulgar rhetoric and an erosion of norms, institutions and trust in traditional information sources. Taken together, these ingredients created a tinderbox poised to explode when crises came.

Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'

"It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don't lay the blame on others!" Mr Trump tweeted on Saturday.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday June 05 2020, @04:41AM (77 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday June 05 2020, @04:41AM (#1003564) Journal

    Trump doesn't care. He can't care. The man is a malignant narcissist; he lacks the cognitive and emotive capability even to engage with the unfolding situations, plural, the country is facing now. These times would try even the best and bravest and smartest and most humane politicians. If you think Trump is suddenly going to turn into Kennedy or Lyndon Johnson, prepare to be sorely and rudely disillusioned.

    This. This, people, is the "cascading failure" I've been warning about for years. We've passed too many tipping points and are getting attacked from all sides by disasters natural and man-made at a time when our institutions are shot through with stress fractures and we have no leadership worthy of the name.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:02AM (41 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:02AM (#1003568)

    Trump doesn't care. He can't care. The man is a malignant narcissist;

    Ahhh the source "familiar with his thinking" again....

    Kennedy was a true Narcisist and a crook, and the other Kennedies, too. I'll use the same source as you.

    And Lyndon Johnson was the biggest racist I ever read about.

    Keep warning people about the sky fallign down. If a broken clock can be right twice a day, your day will come!

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday June 05 2020, @05:11AM (29 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:11AM (#1003569) Journal

      And somehow, they were *still better than Trump.* That is such a low fucking bar it's actually already IN Hell and Trump fails to clear it.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @06:11AM (27 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:11AM (#1003592) Journal

        *sigh* Trump has done little more than rip off the mask

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:16AM (23 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:16AM (#1003593)

          You're preaching to the choir kid.

          • (Score: 2, Redundant) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @06:46AM (22 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:46AM (#1003602) Journal

            Doubt it.. They think he's demasking himself, when really he's exposing all of DC

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            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:04AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:04AM (#1003606)

              Do you ever speak directly? Glad you have such a grasp on what theeey are thinking.

              Seriously, I will eat my own shorts if you're over 20.

              • (Score: 4, Touché) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:12AM (4 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:12AM (#1003612) Journal

                bon appétit!

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                • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:55PM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:55PM (#1003695)

                  Should have said "Mentally over 20".

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:33PM (2 children)

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:33PM (#1003786) Journal

                    Oh, now you want dessert?

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                    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @09:09PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @09:09PM (#1004329)

                      Oh please. You have the political ideas of a nine-year old.

                      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:13AM

                        by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:13AM (#1004371) Journal

                        Oh please yourself... Show me where yours are any better, more advanced, more mature

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                        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday June 05 2020, @07:49AM (15 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @07:49AM (#1003619) Journal

              They think he's demasking himself, when really he's exposing all of DC

              Wishful thinking, I reckon. You got to know nothing of value on top of what you already knew.

              The best you can say, he's hasting the death of the R party: no viable candidate while Trump is alive and heaps of powerful negative memories for the voters about the last time R was in power. The US conservatives will need to reinvent themselves after Trump.
              Unfortunately, this will give D too much of a leeway when they get to run the show.

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              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday June 05 2020, @07:54AM (11 children)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:54AM (#1003621)

                After the Tea Party nonsense, then the Trump takeover where can the Republicans go?

                • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (#1003732)

                  To hell, as far as I'm concerned.

                  I'm a former Republican, just so you know.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:24PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:24PM (#1003780)

                    And you have joined the democrats? That would explain the direction the party has taken.

                • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Kitsune008 on Friday June 05 2020, @01:55PM (2 children)

                  by Kitsune008 (9054) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:55PM (#1003733)

                  My knee-jerk reaction is to answer: they can go straight to hell.

                  But the real answer: ditch the lunatic fringe, and get back to sane conservatism.
                  It will take some time to rebuild the Party, but until that happens, I think the GOP will continue it's mad dash over the cliff edge.

                  I used to vote Republican until Dubya came along. That permanently cured my affliction.

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (#1003801) Journal

                    That permanently cured my affliction.

                    You weren't around for Humphrey/Nixon? It was a much more powerful vaccine.

                    Reelection of the same old shit that brought us to this point is not the solution.

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                    La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:31PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:31PM (#1003880)

                    "But the real answer: ditch the lunatic fringe, and get back to sane conservatism."

                    I might have agreed with you on that sometime around 2008 but not anymore. Those treasonous bastards have repeatedly put party above country too many times over at least the last decade or so for me to see much of anything sane to go back to.

                    "It will take some time to rebuild the Party...."

                    Unfortunately, at this point I am not seeing much of anything worth rebuilding. Just my opinion.

                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 05 2020, @02:08PM (5 children)

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:08PM (#1003742)

                  In 2016 Bush had screwed up so badly that we had the opportunity to elect a black president.

                  If Biden is as impressive as T(he)rump, there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4. Hollywood has been pushing the idea (Designated Survivor/Madam Secretary/more I'm sure) of a rise in independent political power for a while now.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:51PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:51PM (#1003798)

                    Nah, those shows are about military worship and saluting the flag bullshit. Americans get such a hard on about uniforms.

                  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:40PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:40PM (#1003858)

                    In 2016 We'd had eight years of a black president.

                    There. FTFY.

                    I'm guessing you meant 2008. Then again, you did say [soylentnews.org]:

                    don't try to confuse me with facts.

                    Apparently, you're confused even without the facts. You go, girlfriend!

                    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:34AM

                      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:34AM (#1004389)

                      Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

                      Don't stop a guy on a roll, you know what I mean.

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                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:32PM (1 child)

                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:32PM (#1004363)

                    ...there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4.

                    Prepare for disappointment on that front.

                    • (Score: 4, Touché) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:29AM

                      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:29AM (#1004387)

                      ...there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4.

                      Prepare for disappointment on that front.

                      Preparation not required, I've been disappointed in politics since I first became aware of it.

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              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:45PM (2 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:45PM (#1003794) Journal

                Roots run deep. DNC absorbed the GOP in the 60s. A merging of two syndicates into one more powerful, no outsiders allowed.

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                La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
                • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:43PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:43PM (#1003924)

                  Troll

                  Oh dear! Look at the democrats on patrol! Still trying to lose the election, because if they win, they can't blame anybody for obstruction

                  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:50PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:50PM (#1003928)

                    Sockpuppet, sockpuppet, speak for me!
                    Sockpuppet, sockpuppet, pretend it's not me!

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:08AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:08AM (#1003678)

          > Trump has done little more than rip off the mask

          What? In that case where are his tax returns?

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:48PM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:48PM (#1003926) Journal

            Nothing to do with the price of rice. Ask the people that vote for him. He is merely exposing the "wizard" world

            --
            La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:21PM (#1004157)

            Not that kind of ripping off.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 07 2020, @05:09AM (#1004417)

        And yet there are even lower bars, such as posting higher quality comments than you do.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:13AM (#1003570)

      Just jump down a well already.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by coolgopher on Friday June 05 2020, @08:25AM (2 children)

      by coolgopher (1157) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:25AM (#1003626)

      I don't know about the rest, but here's an interesting article [medium.com] on Trump's thinking from someone who has spent much time with him.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:24PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:24PM (#1003876)

        Oh, what do ya know! It's a fucking Jew author! Big coincidence... Just goes to show no matter how much you kiss their ass, they will never be satisfied until the Aryan race is gone from the earth, per their revered Talmud.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @03:34AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @03:34AM (#1004066)

          The way you're going no one is is gonna shed any tears.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday June 05 2020, @08:39AM (6 children)

      by bradley13 (3053) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:39AM (#1003638) Homepage Journal

      "Kennedy was a true Narcisist and a crook"

      This. If he hadn't been assassinated, he would be regarded very differently. Indeed, the entire Kennedy clan built their political power on the back of his death. Teddy Kennedy, for example, was a scummy example of a human being, but his name made him electable.

      And Lyndon Johnson...

      Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" laid the foundation for many of the problems underlying today's protests. That's when the welfare state really came into its own, with the disincentives that destroyed poor families, including poor black families. "But we meant well!" - the battle cry of progressives, when they finally see what they have wrought...

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      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:00AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:00AM (#1003670)

        "Kennedy was a true Narcisist and a crook"

        This. If he hadn't been assassinated, he would be regarded very differently

        Imagine Trump in case of Cuban Missile Crisis.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:19PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:19PM (#1003810) Journal

          Okay, imagine, . . . more imagine . . .

          ah, I imagine Trump would just nuke the world as a solution and as missiles were in flight, tweet . . . So there!

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          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:21PM (#1003812)

          Imagine Trump during the civil rights movement...

        • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Friday June 05 2020, @11:44PM

          by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Friday June 05 2020, @11:44PM (#1004003)

          Imagine Trump in case of Cuban Missile Crisis [of 1962].

          It would have led directly to the sticks and stones crisis of 2020.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:43AM (#1004022)

          Imagine Trump in case of Cuban Missile Crisis.

          Cause Kennedy did so great. The whole episode ended in a stalemate with Russia removing missiles from Cuba, and the US removing missiles from Turkey (which were there first).

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday June 05 2020, @12:35PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @12:35PM (#1003690) Journal

        Both Kennedy and Johnson had their flaws. Both, however, could at least understand that the other person HAD a point of view. Kennedy was not a great president, he took insane risks, but he was popular, and he was leading the country in an optimistic direction. Johnson was a manipulator...though I still don't understand why he thought Vietnam was a reasonable thing to get into. I supported him for his push of the space program. Yes, he saw things in terms of self interest, but he was willing for his self interest to also foster someone else's self interest. (If you'd asked me at the time, I would have said very harsh things about Johnson during his second term. I was of draft age, and my mother was affiliated with the Quakers. I wasn't, and my father was career Navy, but... And nobody ever gave a decent explanation as to what we were doing in there.)

        So, there are definitely bad things that you can say about both Kennedy and Johnson. But they pale in comparison to most presidents since then, including ALL of the Republican one. None of them are as good as EITHER Kennedy or Johnson. Most of them don't come up to Nixon, and I thought he should be crucified in a public square.

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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @05:17AM (28 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:17AM (#1003572) Journal
    Cascading failure yes.

    "Malignant narcissist?"

    Not far off, at least.

    It's more important than ever to remain calm and rational, insofar as possible.

    The stakes are insanely high.
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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:32AM (27 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:32AM (#1003578)

      We've been calm and rational for 3+ years as the country has been gutted and divided by a criminal in the White House. Now is the time for rational anger and action. Not violence, unless Trump gets worse and starts murdering people more directly.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @05:44AM (3 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:44AM (#1003585) Journal
        3+ years?

        We've been working on this longer than you've been alive.

        We've been working on this longer than I have been alive.

        Don't screw it up now with your myopia and your 3-years-is-a-long-time lack of historical awareness.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:52AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:52AM (#1003590)

          Interesting response. Nothing of substance while trying to elevate yourself. If you've been fighting so long then why aren't you angry about this acceleration of government abuses?

          • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Friday June 05 2020, @06:34AM (1 child)

            by captain normal (2205) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:34AM (#1003599)

            Interesting that you use "acceleration". Do you wear Hawaiian Shirts? Do you believe discord is what this country/world needs now?
            https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/us/white-supremacy-the-base.html [nytimes.com]

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            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:37AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:37AM (#1003600)

              Dafuq?

              Acceleration meaning what Trump is doing to divide and destroy the US.

      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:07AM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:07AM (#1003610)

        We've been calm and rational for 3+ years...

        Who is this "we" you're talking about Willis? Calm? Rational? You're joking, right? That was all sarcasm, right?

        When Trump won the election, there were riots, arson, looting, destruction. The whole 3+ years I feel like the whole world is at war- not because of Trump, but because of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Liberals including the liberal media have been going berserk the whole time. I've never seen nor heard of the horrific name-calling, insults, personal attack, lies, and coverups that have been done by the liberals. AOC, Pelosi, all of them. Horrific boorish behavior and speaking. I'm liberal, but I refuse to be part of that "party". Bring back the Jimmy Carter Democrats.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by PartTimeZombie on Friday June 05 2020, @07:57AM (6 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:57AM (#1003622)

          I'm liberal...

          No you're not. You're a liar. Also an idiot.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @08:32AM (2 children)

            by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:32AM (#1003634) Journal

            I'm not the AC above, but totally identify with everything he or she said. Liberals have been let down by a DNC that has proven itself since the defeat of GWB (at least, though we really should look more closely at Bill), to be wholly on board with the MIC, the surveillance state, Wall Street looters, big pharma and insurance, unnecessary cold war rhetoric, imperialism, divisive identity politics -- to paraphrase you, any liberal adhering to the Democrats is either a liar about being a liberal, or an idiot.

            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:47AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:47AM (#1003639)

              I'm not the AC above, but totally identify with everything he or she said.

              There, there! As the Doc said in "Idiocracy" "there are lots of ex-dems living kick-ass lives!" So don't let being an idiot, or a Republican provocateur, stand in your way! We are all behind you, here at SoylentNoose!

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:56PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:56PM (#1003930) Journal

              totally identify with everything he or she said.

              Yeah, but Jimmy Carter?

              The DNC exposed itself when they nominated Humphrey.

              And don't taunt the democrats while they have mod points, as you can see, they will send you into the cornfield.

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:31PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:31PM (#1003784)

            What would you know, you antipodean sheep shagger?

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:27AM (1 child)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:27AM (#1004013) Journal

              SoylentNews: came here for the BuckFeta, stayed for the high quality insults.

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:29PM

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:29PM (#1004362)

                High quality? Not really, even the Aussies stopped calling us that in the 1960's.

        • (Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:24PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:24PM (#1003813) Journal

          I've never seen nor heard of the horrific name-calling, insults, personal attack, lies, and coverups that have been done by the liberals.

          I would echo that but with the final word "liberals" replaced with "candidate Trump".

          Trump is divisive. He does not unite. He has lowered or removed every bar there ever was. He enlarged the swamp, for his personal direct benefit. Shamelessly and brazenly.

          And much more.

          And you pretend to be surprised that other people are outraged.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @08:26AM (13 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:26AM (#1003629) Journal

        Calm? Trying to get the cold war rekindled over election sour grapes is calm?

        It seems there has been such a constant barrage of Trump==Hitler for so long, it's just hard to tell when you guys are serious.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:51AM (12 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:51AM (#1003641)

          Well, they both are Germans. Trump's Mother seemed to have little influence over him, just like Hitler's mother. And they both hung out with hot women, actresses, mostly blonde. And the called for the use of military force, like to break treaties, and were vegetarian. So the comparison of Trump to Hitler is hardly idle chatter, especially now that the Reichsstag St. John's cloakroom were set on fire, and Trump is screwing himself up to declare himself Chancellor. Literally Hitler. The parallels are uncanny.

          • (Score: 2, Touché) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @09:13AM (7 children)

            by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @09:13AM (#1003645) Journal

            Aside from millions of people being gassed and burned.

            It's a really disgusting comparison in that context.

            • (Score: 5, Touché) by Aegis on Friday June 05 2020, @01:39PM (5 children)

              by Aegis (6714) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:39PM (#1003717)

              The gassing and burning happened started in Hitler's second term....

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:14PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:14PM (#1003770)

                The fear of the average German to say anything against Hitler or the Nazi party started very soon after he took power.

                Who is afraid to call Trump Hitler, or any other vile accusation against him, at the cost of their livelihoods, or their lives? No one.

                Who is afraid to say anything negative about whatever the Alphabet People have come up with this week, or negative about any black person anywhere in the land, at the cost of their livelihoods, or their lives? Everyone.

                You call Trump, and anyone else you don't like, Hitler in order to pre-empt the analogy being used against yourself, and with far more reason.

                • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (1 child)

                  by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (#1003800) Journal

                  Yep -- it's projection.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:44PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:44PM (#1003821)

                  Better "Lock Her Up" just to create a nice cooling effect, right?

                • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 05 2020, @07:31PM

                  by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:31PM (#1003914) Journal

                  The fear of the average German to say anything against Hitler or the Nazi party started very soon after he took power.

                  Was it a result of, say, teargassing protesters who are committing no crimes so Hitler could do a photo op?

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:20PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:20PM (#1003875)

              Never happened, you brainwashed fuck. Boleshevik Jew lies.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:09PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:09PM (#1003768)

            Trump is a vegetarian?

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:36PM (1 child)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:36PM (#1003817) Journal

              (it is well known Trump likes steaks)

              I don't remember where I read the following:

              He likes his steaks well done.
              Very well done.
              Almost burnt.
              To the point where the steak has curved, is fairly solid and will rock back and forth on the plate.
              Then he smothers it with ketchup.

              Now I can understand how an adolescent taste might like that. But I wouldn't call it refined.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:47PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:47PM (#1003823)

                That's the preferred way to cook Trump steaks BTW. Your lack of class is showing.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:31AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:31AM (#1004015)

              Caught one! Trolling is good, today. Hey, did you know both Trump and Hitler were functional illiterates? Both had their books written by ghost-writers, or geistlichescriberlin.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (4 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (#1003731)

    These times would try even the best and bravest and smartest and most humane politicians.

    The best and bravest and smartest and most humane politicians would have managed the country - before the crises hit - in such a way that as each crisis unfolded it would have had much less impact on the country and the world.

    SARS-1 2003, bullet dodged - through programs developed starting with response to the 1918 pandemic, strengthened by presidents of both parties, and gutted by Trump.

    1992 Rodney King "why can't we all just get along" riots in Los Angeles, localized and relatively short lived - as were the Miami Riots in 1976 and 1980, and many others. Steady, if slow, forward progress in racial equality, and even equity, from the 1960s through to 2016 helped to calm those situations when they flared. Recent backsliding has offended people of all races.

    These are not really unprecedented challenges, I think we're bordering on unprecedented bad handling of them.

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    • (Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:37PM (3 children)

      by PocketSizeSUn (5340) on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:37PM (#1004519)

      SARS-1 2003, bullet dodged - through programs developed starting with response to the 1918 pandemic, strengthened by presidents of both parties, and gutted by Trump.

      I think you will have to at least mention the programs you think were gutted.

      Recent backsliding has offended people of all races.

      I think you will find that the problems within the MPD are both systemic and far from recent.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:53PM (2 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday June 07 2020, @03:53PM (#1004526)

        >mention the programs you think were gutted.

        WHO CDC among others, it's systemic with him - anything resembling science or environmental protection or health is money ripe for the picking.

        >problems within the MPD are both systemic and far from recent.

        Absofuckinlutely, but when you've got a Cheeto-in-Chief cheerleading for white power violence, it doesn't do anything to support forward progress.

        We've had a long run of baby steps in "the right direction" some amount of pendulum swing was to be expected, hopefully we've hit bottom and can start moving back again.

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        • (Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Sunday June 07 2020, @06:34PM (1 child)

          by PocketSizeSUn (5340) on Sunday June 07 2020, @06:34PM (#1004576)

          >mention the programs you think were gutted.

          WHO CDC among others, it's systemic with him - anything resembling science or environmental protection or health is money ripe for the picking.

          So your earlier assertion is baseless? What program that was setup to prevent SARS-CoV-1 or other epidemic was gutted or otherwised rendered ineffective? I am asking because I am not aware of it.

          Absofuckinlutely, but when you've got a Cheeto-in-Chief cheerleading for white power violence, it doesn't do anything to support forward progress.

          Yes omb, however the MPD has been a cesspool for at least 30 years that I know of. It has not, in fact, gotten worse. It has gotten noticed.
          Further the MPD takes it's marching orders from the most anti-trump politicians in pretty much the bluest city in the country which has systemically failed to clean house and consistently turned a blind eye to their problems.

          Now as to the 'cheerleading' charge .. any evidence for that?

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:12PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:12PM (#1003806) Journal

    I only wish it were possible for your post to be modded higher.

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