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posted by martyb on Friday June 05 2020, @04:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-elephant-in-the-room dept.

A serious divide exists among Trump advisers over how to address nights of protests and riots in US after Floyd's death

Trump is being urged by some advisers to formally address the nation and call for calm, while others have said he should condemn the rioting and looting more forcefully or risk losing middle-of-the-road voters in November, according to several sources familiar with the deliberations.

[...] During a staff call Friday, Trump's top domestic policy aide Brooke Rollins argued for a measured response to riots the night before, advice that was echoed by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Several advisers feared, and hoped to avoid, another Charlottesville moment, when Trump was criticized after declaring in 2017 that "very fine people" were among the Nazi mobs that descended upon Charlottesville, Virginia.

[...] While aides like Kushner have pushed for a more restrained response, Trump is also hearing from several advisers who warned that by not condemning the protests after the death of Floyd, an unarmed 46-year-old black man, that turned into rioting and looting, he is risking losing some demographics that will be key to his election victory in November, like suburban women voters.

As Protests and Violence Spill Over, Trump Shrinks Back

The president spent Sunday out of sight, berating opponents on Twitter, even as some of his campaign advisers were recommending that he deliver a televised address to an anxious nation.

how the George Floyd protests left Donald Trump exposed

“Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims. I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon – and I mean very soon – come to an end.”
These were the words of Donald Trump, not in May 2020 but July 2016, as he accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the national convention in Cleveland.

[...] Not even Trump’s harshest critics can blame him for a virus believed to have come from a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan, nor for an attendant economic collapse, nor for four centuries of slavery, segregation, police brutality and racial injustice.

But they can, and do, point to how he made a bad situation so much worse. The story of Trump’s presidency was arguably always leading to this moment, with its toxic mix of weak moral leadership, racial divisiveness, crass and vulgar rhetoric and an erosion of norms, institutions and trust in traditional information sources. Taken together, these ingredients created a tinderbox poised to explode when crises came.

Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'

"It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don't lay the blame on others!" Mr Trump tweeted on Saturday.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @05:22AM (8 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:22AM (#1003574) Journal
    "Personal strategy: given an unavoidable choice between a passive fool and an active fool on "your side", always pick the passive fool."

    Fair enough, but I'm not convinced. At least the active fool stirs up opposition.

    I don't want to see corporate America in charge of government America too. That's a worst case scenario, and that's what "both sides" are set on.

    There must be a third side, at the least.

    "All the others trying to compensate or take advantage of the fool are, at the very least, more predictable if not more rational."

    They'll predictably enslave me and everyone I love.

    A little unpredictability could hardly hurt then.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday June 05 2020, @05:37AM (1 child)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @05:37AM (#1003580) Journal

    A little unpredictability could hardly hurt then.

    As long as you keep in mind it is likely the resulting chaos may hurt you and everyone you love, sure, go for it.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @05:45AM

      by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:45AM (#1003586) Journal
      Hmm, likely to hurt me, versus certain to hurt me.

      Yep, that sounds about right.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @02:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @02:00PM (#1003735)

    Active fools just need to be pointed in the right direction, passive fools mess up when you really don't expect it.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 05 2020, @02:00PM (3 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:00PM (#1003736)

    At least the active fool stirs up opposition.

    I think we've had enough object lesson of "what happens when you put an idiot in charge." Can we please get back to something resembling rational leadership now?

    I don't want to see corporate America in charge of government America too.

    Where in the Trump rhetoric or actions have you ever seen a sign that he is resisting the corporate takeover of societal power?

    There must be a third side, at the least.

    Yes, but the majority of U.S. voters can barely comprehend one choice: Us vs. Them - asking for a nuanced evaluation of multiple candidates is like asking Mr. Ed [wikipedia.org] for a philosophical dissertation on the pros and cons of philanthropic intervention in third world economies.

    A little unpredictability could hardly hurt then.

    All evidence of the past 14 days to the contrary?

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @02:19PM (1 child)

      by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:19PM (#1003750) Journal
      "I think we've had enough object lesson of "what happens when you put an idiot in charge." Can we please get back to something resembling rational leadership now?"

      Wow, just how far back do you think you can go?

      I mean, great idea, if you can pull it off. Write-in campaigns for President really have the deck stacked against them though.

      "Where in the Trump rhetoric or actions have you ever seen a sign that he is resisting the corporate takeover of societal power?"

      Trump personally? Not really. But the executive order is more than many of his predecessors ever did.

      "Yes, but the majority of U.S. voters can barely comprehend one choice: Us vs. Them - asking for a nuanced evaluation of multiple candidates is like asking Mr. Ed [wikipedia.org] for a philosophical dissertation on the pros and cons of philanthropic intervention in third world economies."

      The MSM and the Prussian schools work tirelessly to achieve that effect, but despite all their abuse people aren't quite as dumb as they want them to be. People are waking up.

      "All evidence of the past 14 days to the contrary?"

      All evidence? Do you mean to say you think everything bad that's happened over the last two weeks was Trump?

      Cause that would be a little crazy, if that's really what you're saying. It's not like the states the Democrats control are doing any better than the rest of the country - quite the opposite. Democratic governors prohibit demonstrations that disagree with them, because covid - but encourage everyone to get out and protest against Trump, forget covid!

      You still can't see what's going on?
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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @02:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @02:58PM (#1003764)

        Yes. EVERYTHING bad in the last couple of weeks can be directly traced to Trump's completely fucking up the national response to the murder by suffocation of a suspect. EVERYTHING.

        Just like everything since January in Covid is completely Trump's fault for completely fucking up the national response to that.

        And it is still continuing, as he endorses by retweet a letter equating all protestors to terrorists.

        But that aside: Stupid man wants to claim he has absolute authority to do anything he wants to, then he gets absolute responsibility for everything that is taking place whether or not he actually has the authority. QED.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:36PM (#1003918)

      asking for a nuanced evaluation of multiple candidates is like asking Mr. Ed for a philosophical dissertation on the pros and cons of philanthropic intervention in third world economies.

      Not to derail discussion too much, but that's really unfair to Mr. Ed. Seriously, have you watched the show? Mr. Ed may have been a horse, but he was ten times more intelligent than any of the other (human) characters there. Over the course of the series, Ed wins trivia questions on multiple quiz shows, is apparently an amazing chess player, and even outsmarts an international spy ring on multiple occasions. I mean, they tried to give Ed an intelligence test where there were two carrots, one of which was plugged up to an electric current. Ed sees how the test is run, unplugs the machine, and eats both carrots.

      I doubt he'd be an expert on "pros and cons of philanthropic interventions," but I'd put more faith in the potential insightfulness of Mr. Ed's answer to such a question than 99% of the American public.

  • (Score: 2) by bussdriver on Friday June 05 2020, @06:09PM

    by bussdriver (6876) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @06:09PM (#1003868)

    Active Fools are MORE harmful; directly, their incompetence makes it difficult to manage, yes; however, large complex organizations are actually run by managers because a genius can't have enough time in the day to micromanage everything (let alone effectively.) Corruption is running rampant and we hardly even know as all the information overload, chaos, and distractions generated by the fool! Biden will not be able to recreate the level of smoke screen this fool has; plus the public doesn't even suspect anything clever when a fool is the "leader" (at least with Bush many saw him as the figurehead he was... the public thinks Trump is in charge and too incompetent for real permanent harm... while he has done more permanent damage than anybody in history.)

    I've been against Biden since the 1st attempt to run for president. He is Mitt Romney if he was a democrat. Politically they are closer than probably any dem was to biden. Look it up at politicalcompass.org (BTW, a non US website) for now and back in 2012 for Romney.

    There hasn't been a real choice since Carter; the last unapproved president. Yeah, Bernie etc. well you got to see what happens if somebody unapproved even gets close. They'd have killed him before he got in office or started a civil war like Lincolns presumed victory started (not his fault.)

    I'll volunteer for Biden. The nation's demise is coming (all democracies fall to despotism) but I'd rather it die like the UK's empire or better, the Roman empire (which took longer to die than the USA is old) than turn into WW4, with the USA on the side of fascism this time.... remember fascism by it's nature is nationalistic so it won't use foreign terms and identities - it's use local themes. Hell, this "fool" is going to label anybody who strongly opposes fascism a terrorist! How clear does it have to get??? You can't fight corporate slavery when you are now an antifa terrorist.