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posted by martyb on Friday June 05 2020, @04:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-elephant-in-the-room dept.

A serious divide exists among Trump advisers over how to address nights of protests and riots in US after Floyd's death

Trump is being urged by some advisers to formally address the nation and call for calm, while others have said he should condemn the rioting and looting more forcefully or risk losing middle-of-the-road voters in November, according to several sources familiar with the deliberations.

[...] During a staff call Friday, Trump's top domestic policy aide Brooke Rollins argued for a measured response to riots the night before, advice that was echoed by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Several advisers feared, and hoped to avoid, another Charlottesville moment, when Trump was criticized after declaring in 2017 that "very fine people" were among the Nazi mobs that descended upon Charlottesville, Virginia.

[...] While aides like Kushner have pushed for a more restrained response, Trump is also hearing from several advisers who warned that by not condemning the protests after the death of Floyd, an unarmed 46-year-old black man, that turned into rioting and looting, he is risking losing some demographics that will be key to his election victory in November, like suburban women voters.

As Protests and Violence Spill Over, Trump Shrinks Back

The president spent Sunday out of sight, berating opponents on Twitter, even as some of his campaign advisers were recommending that he deliver a televised address to an anxious nation.

how the George Floyd protests left Donald Trump exposed

“Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims. I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon – and I mean very soon – come to an end.”
These were the words of Donald Trump, not in May 2020 but July 2016, as he accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the national convention in Cleveland.

[...] Not even Trump’s harshest critics can blame him for a virus believed to have come from a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan, nor for an attendant economic collapse, nor for four centuries of slavery, segregation, police brutality and racial injustice.

But they can, and do, point to how he made a bad situation so much worse. The story of Trump’s presidency was arguably always leading to this moment, with its toxic mix of weak moral leadership, racial divisiveness, crass and vulgar rhetoric and an erosion of norms, institutions and trust in traditional information sources. Taken together, these ingredients created a tinderbox poised to explode when crises came.

Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'

"It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don't lay the blame on others!" Mr Trump tweeted on Saturday.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:32AM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:32AM (#1003578)

    We've been calm and rational for 3+ years as the country has been gutted and divided by a criminal in the White House. Now is the time for rational anger and action. Not violence, unless Trump gets worse and starts murdering people more directly.

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  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Friday June 05 2020, @05:44AM (3 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Friday June 05 2020, @05:44AM (#1003585) Journal
    3+ years?

    We've been working on this longer than you've been alive.

    We've been working on this longer than I have been alive.

    Don't screw it up now with your myopia and your 3-years-is-a-long-time lack of historical awareness.
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:52AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:52AM (#1003590)

      Interesting response. Nothing of substance while trying to elevate yourself. If you've been fighting so long then why aren't you angry about this acceleration of government abuses?

      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Friday June 05 2020, @06:34AM (1 child)

        by captain normal (2205) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:34AM (#1003599)

        Interesting that you use "acceleration". Do you wear Hawaiian Shirts? Do you believe discord is what this country/world needs now?
        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/us/white-supremacy-the-base.html [nytimes.com]

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        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:37AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:37AM (#1003600)

          Dafuq?

          Acceleration meaning what Trump is doing to divide and destroy the US.

  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:07AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:07AM (#1003610)

    We've been calm and rational for 3+ years...

    Who is this "we" you're talking about Willis? Calm? Rational? You're joking, right? That was all sarcasm, right?

    When Trump won the election, there were riots, arson, looting, destruction. The whole 3+ years I feel like the whole world is at war- not because of Trump, but because of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Liberals including the liberal media have been going berserk the whole time. I've never seen nor heard of the horrific name-calling, insults, personal attack, lies, and coverups that have been done by the liberals. AOC, Pelosi, all of them. Horrific boorish behavior and speaking. I'm liberal, but I refuse to be part of that "party". Bring back the Jimmy Carter Democrats.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by PartTimeZombie on Friday June 05 2020, @07:57AM (6 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:57AM (#1003622)

      I'm liberal...

      No you're not. You're a liar. Also an idiot.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @08:32AM (2 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:32AM (#1003634) Journal

        I'm not the AC above, but totally identify with everything he or she said. Liberals have been let down by a DNC that has proven itself since the defeat of GWB (at least, though we really should look more closely at Bill), to be wholly on board with the MIC, the surveillance state, Wall Street looters, big pharma and insurance, unnecessary cold war rhetoric, imperialism, divisive identity politics -- to paraphrase you, any liberal adhering to the Democrats is either a liar about being a liberal, or an idiot.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:47AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:47AM (#1003639)

          I'm not the AC above, but totally identify with everything he or she said.

          There, there! As the Doc said in "Idiocracy" "there are lots of ex-dems living kick-ass lives!" So don't let being an idiot, or a Republican provocateur, stand in your way! We are all behind you, here at SoylentNoose!

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:56PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:56PM (#1003930) Journal

          totally identify with everything he or she said.

          Yeah, but Jimmy Carter?

          The DNC exposed itself when they nominated Humphrey.

          And don't taunt the democrats while they have mod points, as you can see, they will send you into the cornfield.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:31PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:31PM (#1003784)

        What would you know, you antipodean sheep shagger?

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:27AM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:27AM (#1004013) Journal

          SoylentNews: came here for the BuckFeta, stayed for the high quality insults.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:29PM

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:29PM (#1004362)

            High quality? Not really, even the Aussies stopped calling us that in the 1960's.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:24PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:24PM (#1003813) Journal

      I've never seen nor heard of the horrific name-calling, insults, personal attack, lies, and coverups that have been done by the liberals.

      I would echo that but with the final word "liberals" replaced with "candidate Trump".

      Trump is divisive. He does not unite. He has lowered or removed every bar there ever was. He enlarged the swamp, for his personal direct benefit. Shamelessly and brazenly.

      And much more.

      And you pretend to be surprised that other people are outraged.

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      People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @08:26AM (13 children)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:26AM (#1003629) Journal

    Calm? Trying to get the cold war rekindled over election sour grapes is calm?

    It seems there has been such a constant barrage of Trump==Hitler for so long, it's just hard to tell when you guys are serious.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:51AM (12 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @08:51AM (#1003641)

      Well, they both are Germans. Trump's Mother seemed to have little influence over him, just like Hitler's mother. And they both hung out with hot women, actresses, mostly blonde. And the called for the use of military force, like to break treaties, and were vegetarian. So the comparison of Trump to Hitler is hardly idle chatter, especially now that the Reichsstag St. John's cloakroom were set on fire, and Trump is screwing himself up to declare himself Chancellor. Literally Hitler. The parallels are uncanny.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @09:13AM (7 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @09:13AM (#1003645) Journal

        Aside from millions of people being gassed and burned.

        It's a really disgusting comparison in that context.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by Aegis on Friday June 05 2020, @01:39PM (5 children)

          by Aegis (6714) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:39PM (#1003717)

          The gassing and burning happened started in Hitler's second term....

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:14PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:14PM (#1003770)

            The fear of the average German to say anything against Hitler or the Nazi party started very soon after he took power.

            Who is afraid to call Trump Hitler, or any other vile accusation against him, at the cost of their livelihoods, or their lives? No one.

            Who is afraid to say anything negative about whatever the Alphabet People have come up with this week, or negative about any black person anywhere in the land, at the cost of their livelihoods, or their lives? Everyone.

            You call Trump, and anyone else you don't like, Hitler in order to pre-empt the analogy being used against yourself, and with far more reason.

            • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (1 child)

              by hemocyanin (186) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (#1003800) Journal

              Yep -- it's projection.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:44PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:44PM (#1003821)

              Better "Lock Her Up" just to create a nice cooling effect, right?

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 05 2020, @07:31PM

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:31PM (#1003914) Journal

              The fear of the average German to say anything against Hitler or the Nazi party started very soon after he took power.

              Was it a result of, say, teargassing protesters who are committing no crimes so Hitler could do a photo op?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:20PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:20PM (#1003875)

          Never happened, you brainwashed fuck. Boleshevik Jew lies.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:09PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:09PM (#1003768)

        Trump is a vegetarian?

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 05 2020, @04:36PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @04:36PM (#1003817) Journal

          (it is well known Trump likes steaks)

          I don't remember where I read the following:

          He likes his steaks well done.
          Very well done.
          Almost burnt.
          To the point where the steak has curved, is fairly solid and will rock back and forth on the plate.
          Then he smothers it with ketchup.

          Now I can understand how an adolescent taste might like that. But I wouldn't call it refined.

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          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @04:47PM (#1003823)

            That's the preferred way to cook Trump steaks BTW. Your lack of class is showing.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:31AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:31AM (#1004015)

          Caught one! Trolling is good, today. Hey, did you know both Trump and Hitler were functional illiterates? Both had their books written by ghost-writers, or geistlichescriberlin.