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posted by martyb on Friday June 05 2020, @04:22AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-elephant-in-the-room dept.

A serious divide exists among Trump advisers over how to address nights of protests and riots in US after Floyd's death

Trump is being urged by some advisers to formally address the nation and call for calm, while others have said he should condemn the rioting and looting more forcefully or risk losing middle-of-the-road voters in November, according to several sources familiar with the deliberations.

[...] During a staff call Friday, Trump's top domestic policy aide Brooke Rollins argued for a measured response to riots the night before, advice that was echoed by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Several advisers feared, and hoped to avoid, another Charlottesville moment, when Trump was criticized after declaring in 2017 that "very fine people" were among the Nazi mobs that descended upon Charlottesville, Virginia.

[...] While aides like Kushner have pushed for a more restrained response, Trump is also hearing from several advisers who warned that by not condemning the protests after the death of Floyd, an unarmed 46-year-old black man, that turned into rioting and looting, he is risking losing some demographics that will be key to his election victory in November, like suburban women voters.

As Protests and Violence Spill Over, Trump Shrinks Back

The president spent Sunday out of sight, berating opponents on Twitter, even as some of his campaign advisers were recommending that he deliver a televised address to an anxious nation.

how the George Floyd protests left Donald Trump exposed

“Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims. I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon – and I mean very soon – come to an end.”
These were the words of Donald Trump, not in May 2020 but July 2016, as he accepted the Republican presidential nomination at the national convention in Cleveland.

[...] Not even Trump’s harshest critics can blame him for a virus believed to have come from a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan, nor for an attendant economic collapse, nor for four centuries of slavery, segregation, police brutality and racial injustice.

But they can, and do, point to how he made a bad situation so much worse. The story of Trump’s presidency was arguably always leading to this moment, with its toxic mix of weak moral leadership, racial divisiveness, crass and vulgar rhetoric and an erosion of norms, institutions and trust in traditional information sources. Taken together, these ingredients created a tinderbox poised to explode when crises came.

Antifa: Trump says group will be designated 'terrorist organisation'

"It's ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don't lay the blame on others!" Mr Trump tweeted on Saturday.


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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @06:11AM (27 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:11AM (#1003592) Journal

    *sigh* Trump has done little more than rip off the mask

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:16AM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:16AM (#1003593)

    You're preaching to the choir kid.

    • (Score: 2, Redundant) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @06:46AM (22 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @06:46AM (#1003602) Journal

      Doubt it.. They think he's demasking himself, when really he's exposing all of DC

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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:04AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:04AM (#1003606)

        Do you ever speak directly? Glad you have such a grasp on what theeey are thinking.

        Seriously, I will eat my own shorts if you're over 20.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:12AM (4 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:12AM (#1003612) Journal

          bon appétit!

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          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:55PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:55PM (#1003695)

            Should have said "Mentally over 20".

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:33PM (2 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:33PM (#1003786) Journal

              Oh, now you want dessert?

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @09:09PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @09:09PM (#1004329)

                Oh please. You have the political ideas of a nine-year old.

                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:13AM

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday June 07 2020, @12:13AM (#1004371) Journal

                  Oh please yourself... Show me where yours are any better, more advanced, more mature

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday June 05 2020, @07:49AM (15 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 05 2020, @07:49AM (#1003619) Journal

        They think he's demasking himself, when really he's exposing all of DC

        Wishful thinking, I reckon. You got to know nothing of value on top of what you already knew.

        The best you can say, he's hasting the death of the R party: no viable candidate while Trump is alive and heaps of powerful negative memories for the voters about the last time R was in power. The US conservatives will need to reinvent themselves after Trump.
        Unfortunately, this will give D too much of a leeway when they get to run the show.

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        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday June 05 2020, @07:54AM (11 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:54AM (#1003621)

          After the Tea Party nonsense, then the Trump takeover where can the Republicans go?

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @01:54PM (#1003732)

            To hell, as far as I'm concerned.

            I'm a former Republican, just so you know.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:24PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:24PM (#1003780)

              And you have joined the democrats? That would explain the direction the party has taken.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Kitsune008 on Friday June 05 2020, @01:55PM (2 children)

            by Kitsune008 (9054) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:55PM (#1003733)

            My knee-jerk reaction is to answer: they can go straight to hell.

            But the real answer: ditch the lunatic fringe, and get back to sane conservatism.
            It will take some time to rebuild the Party, but until that happens, I think the GOP will continue it's mad dash over the cliff edge.

            I used to vote Republican until Dubya came along. That permanently cured my affliction.

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:57PM (#1003801) Journal

              That permanently cured my affliction.

              You weren't around for Humphrey/Nixon? It was a much more powerful vaccine.

              Reelection of the same old shit that brought us to this point is not the solution.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:31PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @06:31PM (#1003880)

              "But the real answer: ditch the lunatic fringe, and get back to sane conservatism."

              I might have agreed with you on that sometime around 2008 but not anymore. Those treasonous bastards have repeatedly put party above country too many times over at least the last decade or so for me to see much of anything sane to go back to.

              "It will take some time to rebuild the Party...."

              Unfortunately, at this point I am not seeing much of anything worth rebuilding. Just my opinion.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday June 05 2020, @02:08PM (5 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:08PM (#1003742)

            In 2016 Bush had screwed up so badly that we had the opportunity to elect a black president.

            If Biden is as impressive as T(he)rump, there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4. Hollywood has been pushing the idea (Designated Survivor/Madam Secretary/more I'm sure) of a rise in independent political power for a while now.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:51PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @03:51PM (#1003798)

              Nah, those shows are about military worship and saluting the flag bullshit. Americans get such a hard on about uniforms.

            • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:40PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @05:40PM (#1003858)

              In 2016 We'd had eight years of a black president.

              There. FTFY.

              I'm guessing you meant 2008. Then again, you did say [soylentnews.org]:

              don't try to confuse me with facts.

              Apparently, you're confused even without the facts. You go, girlfriend!

              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:34AM

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:34AM (#1004389)

                Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

                Don't stop a guy on a roll, you know what I mean.

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            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:32PM (1 child)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:32PM (#1004363)

              ...there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4.

              Prepare for disappointment on that front.

              • (Score: 4, Touché) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:29AM

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday June 07 2020, @01:29AM (#1004387)

                ...there may be room for a 3rd party/independent insurgence in 2022-4.

                Prepare for disappointment on that front.

                Preparation not required, I've been disappointed in politics since I first became aware of it.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:45PM (2 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:45PM (#1003794) Journal

          Roots run deep. DNC absorbed the GOP in the 60s. A merging of two syndicates into one more powerful, no outsiders allowed.

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          • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:43PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:43PM (#1003924)

            Troll

            Oh dear! Look at the democrats on patrol! Still trying to lose the election, because if they win, they can't blame anybody for obstruction

            • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:50PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @07:50PM (#1003928)

              Sockpuppet, sockpuppet, speak for me!
              Sockpuppet, sockpuppet, pretend it's not me!

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:08AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @11:08AM (#1003678)

    > Trump has done little more than rip off the mask

    What? In that case where are his tax returns?

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @07:48PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @07:48PM (#1003926) Journal

      Nothing to do with the price of rice. Ask the people that vote for him. He is merely exposing the "wizard" world

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:21PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @12:21PM (#1004157)

      Not that kind of ripping off.