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posted by martyb on Wednesday June 10 2020, @01:46PM   Printer-friendly
from the setting-a-breakpoint-so-humans-can-try-to-debug-a-code-(of-conduct) dept.

FreeBSD has announced a new LLVM-derived code of conduct.

According to a 2018 survey "35% were dissatisfied with the code of conduct adopted in 2018, 34% were neutral, and 30% were satisfied." So, they held another survey at the start start of June:

Which code of conduct should FreeBSD adopt?

Retain the current code of conduct:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200108075747/https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html

RESULTS

  • 4% favoured keeping the current code of conduct
  • 33% favoured the Go-derived code of conduct
  • 63% favoured the LLVM-derived code of conduct.

Thus, the Core Team, following the preference of a majority of active
FreeBSD developers, adopted the LLVM-derived code of conduct.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by meustrus on Wednesday June 10 2020, @08:34PM (3 children)

    by meustrus (4961) on Wednesday June 10 2020, @08:34PM (#1005976)

    I have something that I don't want anybody to know or talk about. And I decide to (1) put it on the internet and (2) talk about it.

    Do you? Do you know what it is like to have a secret about yourself, something shameful that doesn't hurt anybody, something you can't change and you can't tell anyone about? Wouldn't it be so much better if you could just be honest with the world about who you are, and continue not hurting anybody?

    Don't think of trans people here, think of gay people. You're asking them to completely hide their sexuality at the same time you are defending your right to say sexualizing things about women. Isn't that a double standard?

    Or think of women. Are they supposed to hide that they are women? Do you seriously expect half the population to deep hide their identity on the scale of Satoshi Nakamoto?

    Almost none of them pass or come even remotely close to it really, and they never will.

    Well, I can't say that I've looked at all that many pictures of Thai trans girls, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it. It's the internet, though. Are we talking about trans women using their face as an avatar? Again, I can't say I've seen that, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it again.

    So I suppose that in the hypothetical situation where somebody is using for their avatar a photo of themselves in which you can clearly tell they are not a Woman™. Are you justified in saying what you see? Well, it's an avatar. When's the last time anyone said anything about anyone's avatar? And there's no reason to be uploading personal photos in any of these communication channels, ever, for any reason. So I really can't think of when would be an appropriate time to comment on a person's appearance.

    So maybe you call the trans woman "he". This one's situational. What pronoun is everyone else using? If the answer is "she", then you're being deliberately confusing. Even if you don't care that it hurts the trans person, surely you care that everyone else knows who you are talking about.

    Because if just one person is late to this group and doesn't have the amazing power you do to see a person's gender 100% accurately in tiny avatar photos, that person will have no idea who the fuck you are talking about. Someone will have to explain it, and there we go again, being an asshole has derailed the engineering discussion because we have to talk about gender politics again.

    I believe we have a word for being deliberately confusing so that we have to talk about something completely off topic and controversial. It's called trolling. It's destructive to communities. It has no place in any meritocratic system.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 10 2020, @10:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 10 2020, @10:29PM (#1006031)

    I hide the fact that I vaporize some ayrlcyclohexylamine (mostly Methoxieticyclidine, sometime Eticyclidone, use to do diphenidine but it's now as illegal as the grandaddy of ayrlcyclohexylamine: PCP) on Friday night and I am somewhat ashamed of this.

    But drug use is a core part of my identity equal in importance to my sexuality, yet I won't meltdown in tears if someone tell me something like: you are a crazy fryed brain drug powered zombie junky. I would just shrug it off.

    Maybe it's because I have a well paying job with gold plated working conditions, a house and a wife, but I have all that in spite of my drug use. I don't insist that people refer to me as the ayrlcyclohexylamine disciple, I don't require a special pronoun. I just do my "shameful" thing privately...

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday June 11 2020, @04:37PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday June 11 2020, @04:37PM (#1006393)

    Don't think of trans people here, think of gay people. You're asking them to completely hide their sexuality at the same time you are defending your right to say sexualizing things about women. Isn't that a double standard?

    No, because this is a software project, and nobody needs to talk about any sexuality in the first place, either straight, gay, queer, up, down, strange, quark, or peppermint.

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    "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 11 2020, @06:37PM (#1006490)

    You are aware of the Shia Labeouf flag incident?
    https://country105.com/news/4184230/how-4chan-defeated-shia-labeouf/ [country105.com]

    Given the drive many have to cause pain to those different from themselves, and how someone with specific differences might wish to show these things about themselves to one group, but not to another, it isn't hard to see that someone might present themselves in a potentially hostile environment differently then they would in another environment. They perhaps felt they could keep these two guises separate.

    That is, until someone feels the need to dig, and if the digger is better at their craft than the person that chose to present themselves differently to different groups is at separating those personas, then comes the uncalled-for attacks on a person's identity. Even the Army had "don't ask, don't tell," which while it instilled on people that things they do might be shameful, it also came down on those that attempted to hurt people by outing them.

    I think it is reasonable to have a CoC, that basically says treat people in a respectful fashion. We should be able to keep politics (and name calling) out of code writing.