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posted by Fnord666 on Monday June 15 2020, @07:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the burning-facts dept.

China is furious that environmental readings have exposed lies around COVID-19 deaths. The data collected shows a clear mismatch from the information released by the Chinese government about how many people died and at what time. This is a very sensitive subject with China engaging in a cold trade war with Australia over the origins of COVID-19 while providing support to affected smallers countries as calls are made for China to pay billions in penalties due to their coverup.

Before Beijing's crackdown, China's bureaucracy had been conducting business as usual – analysing, assessing and reporting on everything about its citizenry. The researchers from Washington University and Ohio State University say they have tracked down this early government data and combined it with reports in state-controlled and social media.

Among this data was the activities of eight crematories in Wuhan. By January 25 these were inexplicably operating around the clock.

Based on such sources, the researchers argue the total number of infections and fatalities before February was at least ten times that of the official figure announced by Beijing.

[...] The study tracked the sale [of] funeral urns to verify these estimates. In the January-March period during which the crematoriums were operating at peak levels, some 36,000 had been distributed.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Monday June 15 2020, @11:43PM (16 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday June 15 2020, @11:43PM (#1008399) Journal

    Their version of black citizens would be Uighurs. They are using genocidal tactics against them, and they are the beta test for an AI/facial recognition automated surveillance state.

    China is reportedly sending men to sleep in the same beds as Uighur Muslim women while their husbands are in prison camps [businessinsider.com]
    Genocide of the Uyghurs in Western China [worldwithoutgenocide.org]
    China Must Answer for Cultural Genocide in Court [foreignpolicy.com]
    Detained Uighur Muslims are sitting ducks for the coronavirus. China must close the camps. [usatoday.com]
    One Month, 500,000 Face Scans: How China Is Using A.I. to Profile a Minority [archive.is]
    China Uses DNA to Track Its People, With the Help of American Expertise [archive.is]

    I'm sure not a single Uigger has contracted COVID-19. They are healthy and happy in the Vocational Education and Training Centers.

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 16 2020, @10:04AM (15 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @10:04AM (#1008517) Journal

    Their version of black citizens would be Uighurs

    Are you sure it's about race?

    I mean, even the behaviour seems different: rioting is something, insurrection [wikipedia.org]/uprising [wikipedia.org] looks like something else. I'm thinking how US would

    Look, I'm not challenging that the politics of China in regards with the population in Xinjiang [wikipedia.org] is not reprehensible, I'm just challenging the equivalency between US black citizens China's Uyghurs.

    (I got to learn about the context starting from the Sven Hedin [wikipedia.org], the first westerner to systematically explore the Central Asia. Fascinating how little the western world knows nowadays about the area, like it's "Here be drago... oh, sorry, Uyghurs")

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday June 16 2020, @10:22AM (14 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday June 16 2020, @10:22AM (#1008521) Journal

      You are overthinking that line. But you're right, what's happening to Yogurts... dragons... Uyghurs is way worse than what is happening to blacks in America. It has been called ethnic cleansing and genocide. The end goal is to gradually replace their ethnicity with Han Chinese, same deal in Tibet [wikipedia.org]. Blacks in America are not getting a comparable treatment, and unjustified black deaths by police are rare, just well publicized (COVID is a more pressing problem due to poverty [theguardian.com]).

      OP might as well be a China shill, as Chinese media has been poking fun [archive.org] at the U.S. for racial tensions while China continues carrying out its abhorrent schemes.

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      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:19AM (11 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:19AM (#1008536) Journal

        Uyghurs is way worse than what is happening to blacks in America today

        FTFY
        Go back 200 years (Emancipation Proclamation was issued on 1 January 1863) and blacks were worse in US than today's Uyghurs.

        The end goal is to gradually replace their ethnicity with Han Chinese

        [Citation needed]
        Because the Tibetan link you provided speaks about "cultural assimilation" and "cultural genocide", not a word about "ethnic cleansing" or "actual genocide".

        Yes, China does have policies of acculturation, assimilation, or cultural imperialism for a long time [wikipedia.org] and you can see the results, among others, in the Korean and Japanese writing.

        You are overthinking that line.

        And I think you are underthinking yours.

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:02PM (10 children)

          by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:02PM (#1008552) Journal

          Go back 200 years

          No need. China is mocking today's racial tensions in the U.S. Comparing current events seems fair to me.

          Because the Tibetan link you provided speaks about "cultural assimilation" and "cultural genocide", not a word about "ethnic cleansing" or "actual genocide".

          "Cultural genocide" or "gradual genocide" is a more palatable subset of "genocide". "Actual genocide" or "quick genocide" in which China murders a million people by firing squad is probably not a feasible or smart move. The Chinese government doesn't want to be completely isolated and condemned by the world. There has been a reaction to events in Xinjiang, but it has been a fairly weak one so far. China is using various forms of soft power to bolster its influence internationally and manage its PR problems. It is also becoming a military superpower, if you don't consider it to be one already.

          Ethnic cleansing is mentioned in this article [businessinsider.com] I linked above. Sending Uighur men into camps and Han Chinese men to "sleep" with their wives is an interesting move. But even if that is exaggerated, just sending a lot of Han Chinese into the area can gradually accomplish ethnic replacement. Kitsune008 mentioned Tibet, so I figured I would bring that in since similar tactics have been used there.

          There have been various riots and terrorist attacks in Xinjiang in the early 2000s [wikipedia.org]. Since then, China has collected biometric details, DNA, and face scans from citizens in Xinjiang. Combined with machine learning algorithms and ubiquitous cameras, China will create a surveillance/prison state unlike anything that has ever been seen in history. It's definitely worth watching since this bleeding edge implementation will probably be exported to other countries.

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          • (Score: 1, Troll) by c0lo on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:19PM (6 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:19PM (#1008558) Journal

            Comparing current events seems fair to me.

            You having an axe to grind in this regards still doesn't bring the equivalency of "Uyghurs are the Afro-Americans of China" any closer to the truth.

            Sending Uighur men into camps and Han Chinese men to "sleep" with their wives is an interesting move.

            From the linked

            Those men often sleep in the same beds as the women, a new Radio Free Asia [RFA] report says, citing two unnamed Chinese officials.
            ...
            Both officials cited in RFA’s article claimed that male Communist Party officials had never tried to take advantage of the women. The official in Kashgar told RFA that the Uighur families were “very keen” to welcome the Han Chinese men into their homes.

            I fail to note any impression of rape or the idea that the imprisoned man would be killed.
            How's that "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide"?

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            • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:39PM (2 children)

              by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:39PM (#1008570) Journal

              You having an axe to grind in this regards

              I would not have even brought up the subject if OP hadn't made that comment.

              "Uyghurs are the Afro-Americans of China" any closer to the truth.

              You are harping on something that doesn't matter and being pedantic (as usual). It's just China's comparable (and worse) ethnic tension problem.

              I fail to note any impression of rape or the idea that the imprisoned man would be killed.
              How's that "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide"?

              You are playing dumb to get more replies. I'll mod you troll and move on.

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              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:49PM (1 child)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:49PM (#1008577) Journal

                You having an axe to grind in this regards

                I would not have even brought up the subject if OP hadn't made that comment.

                Tak, look, take my advice: do not counter propaganda with another propaganda. Like in the case of "an eye for an eye and everybody end blind", everybody has to lose if an entire discussion dumbs down into just propaganda skirmishes.

                The OP brought in a whatabout argument and you find nothing more intelligent to do than to counter with a malformed whataboutism of your own?
                Really, did the guys managed to awaken the Pavlov dog in you too?

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                • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @12:00AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @12:00AM (#1008933)

                  Tak, look, take my advice: do not counter propaganda with another propaganda.

                  But then, how will 'Merika win? You want 'Murickans to settle for the truth? What are you, some kinda commie?

                  And, it's takyon. He be like dat.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:50PM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:50PM (#1008578) Journal

              You having an axe to grind in this regards still doesn't bring the equivalency of "Uyghurs are the Afro-Americans of China" any closer to the truth.

              Go back 200 years, axes were made of lower quality steel back then and needed sharpening more often.

              There's an awful lot of projection here. You even had to hearken back to the distant past in order to make a bogus comparison.

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:00PM (1 child)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:00PM (#1008588) Journal

                I'm not projecting anything.
                My argument was that tak's whataboutism is of a worse quality than OP's whataboutism.

                You even had to hearken back to the distant past in order to make a bogus comparison.

                Doesn't this make a compelling argument that the two situations (USes black and China's Uyghurs) can't be actually compared?
                'Cause I thought I was clear about this point.

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:55PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:55PM (#1008621) Journal

                  Doesn't this make a compelling argument that the two situations (USes black and China's Uyghurs) can't be actually compared?

                  Of course not. What happened 200 years ago doesn't excuse what is happening today.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:16PM (2 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:16PM (#1008704) Journal

            Uighur men go to Syria [alarabiya.net]. They are not the quiet little group of hobbits people think they are.

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      • (Score: 2) by loonycyborg on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:28AM

        by loonycyborg (6905) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:28AM (#1008540)

        Black in America have already been made ethnically USian. Like do they natively use any languages that aren't English? No. But when China is doing this it's bad, because language those Turks are forced to switch to isn't English. And that's all this fight is about.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:49PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:49PM (#1008615) Journal

        Same thing with ethnic Mongols in Inner Mongolia, though further along: they are already a minority there relative to Han.

        As far as black people go, China rounded up all of them summarily over the coronavirus and expelled them from the country as the vectors that infected China.

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