China is furious that environmental readings have exposed lies around COVID-19 deaths. The data collected shows a clear mismatch from the information released by the Chinese government about how many people died and at what time. This is a very sensitive subject with China engaging in a cold trade war with Australia over the origins of COVID-19 while providing support to affected smallers countries as calls are made for China to pay billions in penalties due to their coverup.
Before Beijing's crackdown, China's bureaucracy had been conducting business as usual – analysing, assessing and reporting on everything about its citizenry. The researchers from Washington University and Ohio State University say they have tracked down this early government data and combined it with reports in state-controlled and social media.
Among this data was the activities of eight crematories in Wuhan. By January 25 these were inexplicably operating around the clock.
Based on such sources, the researchers argue the total number of infections and fatalities before February was at least ten times that of the official figure announced by Beijing.
[...] The study tracked the sale [of] funeral urns to verify these estimates. In the January-March period during which the crematoriums were operating at peak levels, some 36,000 had been distributed.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:36PM (21 children)
Sorry, reality doesn't work that way. Your first post [soylentnews.org] was a whataboutism and many of the rest were as well.
So what that there's "secrecy and lies all around"? The story is about a very specific set of alleged secrecy and lies.
Whataboutism is a typical evasive fallacy which supports evil through dilution, moral equivalence, and redirection of the argument. There's all this secrecy and lies so what does this particular secrecy and lies matter?
The obvious rebuttal to this nonsense is two-fold. First, it's obviously one-sided, you only bring up the argument with particular parties (other examples being bringing up [soylentnews.org] US elections when discussing the bogus Russian-run referendum in newly occupied Crimea or bringing up [soylentnews.org] a global map of corruption when confronted with evidence of Chinese illegal organ harvesting, and the Trump journals and observations are generally coupled with digs against the Democrat side). There's a clear pattern of biased evasion to these. You never excuse US flaws by claiming that China or Russia do them too.
Second, the accusation or evil act is still there no matter how many other people and countries do their own bits of evil. Whataboutism got its name in the first place because it became a standard cliched ploy in Soviet rhetoric for dodging accusations. But the evil of the Soviets remained no matter how many flaws they brought up about others.
You don't fight evil by saying others do it too.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday June 16 2020, @03:58PM (20 children)
You just sound like your regular democrat there, refusing to clean up your own house. All you have are distractions. I expected better from you
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 17 2020, @12:58AM (19 children)
Why should my country be treated any different from China or Russia? You excuse worse in this thread.
Tu quoque.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @02:51AM (1 child)
Is this a China vs. Russia robit flame war?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 17 2020, @04:15AM
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 17 2020, @04:14AM (16 children)
Why should my country be treated any different from China or Russia?
Because you're not in China or Russia. You don't pay taxes there.
Curb your own damn dog
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 17 2020, @04:32AM (12 children)
And what country are you a citizen of, so that we may know what country you are allowed to criticize?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 17 2020, @08:23AM (11 children)
You have to make at least a feeble effort to control yourselves before complaining about others.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 17 2020, @01:28PM (10 children)
You already checked that box off for us. Recall we're quick and agile [soylentnews.org]? Democracies, especially those with careful separations of power, have built in control mechanisms.
The precondition was always satisfied, you just choose not to recognize it. So what other flimsy excuses do you have for why I can't complain about genuine evil of the world?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 17 2020, @06:15PM (9 children)
Everything is personal. You can be as quick as agile as you want to be. Your choice
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 17 2020, @11:51PM (8 children)
Not a good excuse.
Sorry, but quite and agile is not a synonym for gullible. You haven't even presented a reason why this is supposed to be a good idea.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 18 2020, @12:22AM (7 children)
Not making excuses. That's your department
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 18 2020, @06:39AM (6 children)
or conflate those alleged actions with generic "secrecy and lies", you're making excuses for China's behavior as I already explained (and which echoes a larger pattern throughout your posts elsewhere).
And notice how you just assert stuff, Mr. "Not making excuses"? You can't even defend yourself.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 18 2020, @08:05AM (5 children)
Harping on China will get you nowhere. It is superficial bullshit.
You pointed out nothing. You're only making excuses for your own self.
Your problems are much closer to home, in fact, they are at home, not in China
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 19 2020, @02:10AM (4 children)
What makes you think I'm harping? If I bring up China again and again as alleged, it's because they do these things again and again. Let us keep in mind that a half century ago, this very government was one of the worst of history. It's extremely unusual in history to see a government of that level of brutality become so much more humane. I think a big part of what made that happen was the harping - the repeated, truthful nettling that embarrassed leaders and citizens alike.
Rather than go nowhere, I think we have the potential to see the most humane and beneficial government China has ever seen.
How many people have to die before it's something?
Ignore the beam in your brother's eye, because you have a little something, if you squint carefully... no the other eye...
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 19 2020, @04:40AM (3 children)
*sigh* your psychosis is showing
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 19 2020, @12:26PM (2 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 19 2020, @04:26PM (1 child)
No, the fallacies are all yours, you're just repeating yourself. I don't feel like following your example at the moment.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Friday June 19 2020, @05:58PM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:21PM (2 children)
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:01PM (1 child)
Some dogs just don't stay on their own lawn.
As the whole world is painfully aware
Worry about your own first
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 29 2020, @01:45AM
You've already acknowledged that box is checked.