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posted by Fnord666 on Monday June 15 2020, @11:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the don't-be-in-such-a-hurry dept.

The Pandemic Claims New Victims: Prestigious Medical Journals (archive)

One study promised that popular blood-pressure drugs were safe for people infected with the coronavirus. Another paper warned that anti-malaria drugs endorsed by President Trump actually were dangerous to these patients.

The studies, published in the New England Journal of Medicine and The Lancet, were retracted shortly after publication, following an outcry from researchers who saw obvious flaws.

The hasty retractions, on the same day this month, have alarmed scientists worldwide who fear that the rush for research on the coronavirus has overwhelmed the peer review process and opened the door to fraud, threatening the credibility of respected medical journals just when they are needed most.

[...] "The problem with trust is that it's too easy to lose and too hard to get back," said Dr. Jerome Kassirer, a former editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, which published one of the retracted papers in early May. "These are big blunders."

If outside scientists detected problems that weren't identified by the peer reviewers, then the journals failed, he said. Like hundreds of other researchers, Dr. Kassirer called on the editors to publish full explanations of what happened.

See also: US FDA pulls its emergency approval of chloroquine use for COVID-19

[NB: This follows up on "Doubt Looms Over Hydroxychloroquine Study That Halted Global Trials" which was part of 2020-06-15 Roundup of COVID-19 (SARS-CoV2, Coronavirus) Stories --martyb]


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @02:33AM (15 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @02:33AM (#1008459)

    if those incel dorks have their way, we'd be living comfortably in some kind of eco-socialist paradise with 10 billion people and approaching post-scarcity.

    just think of how many of those people will be non-white. it's frightening. hold me, i'm scared!

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Kitsune008 on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:51AM (13 children)

    by Kitsune008 (9054) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:51AM (#1008485)

    Sarcasm aside, you stated the core of the problem I think.

    Cornered like rats on a sinking ship, lashing out at everything that defies them. "Kahn!!!"
    The world and reality are progressive, otherwise we would still be wearing fur clothes, drawing on cave walls, and clubbing each other for some reason, or another.
    It's not the 1950's anymore, and the 1960's and 1970's should have clued everyone in to reality, but it did not.
    Some refuse to see the writing(and/or cave drawings) on the wall, and will be surprised to find themselves in a minority soon.

    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @05:37AM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @05:37AM (#1008495)

      This is the kind of hubris born from watching too many years of Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and John Oliver. Progressive worldviews are being pushed to the point of absurdity. The pendulum will swing back, hard.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:46AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:46AM (#1008502)

        For those of us that remember the 80s, it was just as bad when the rightists controlled the public debate.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:02PM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:02PM (#1008590) Journal

          Yes, it was bad, but not this bad. The Left and Right quibbled, but both believed in the core ethos of America. These now believe in nothing but nihilism; they are the Red Guards. Every man, woman, and child who cherishes civilization should fight them hard because they are the quintessence of barbarism. Anyone who doubts how far they'll go to erase everything and everyone must stop and read the history of the Cultural Revolution; it will make you physically ill.

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          Washington DC delenda est.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:36PM (#1008717)

            They'll be begging for Hydroquinone after the scientists get their way.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:59AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:59AM (#1008505)

        This is the back, but the neo-conservatives, with the help of the alt-right, have broken the pendulum. This will be no "Back", there is no "Back". There is only death to conservatives, who have split the world, and now the chickens, and the antifa, have come home to roost. Hope your bug-out bag is in order, because there will be no boogaloo. Goodbye, conservatives!!

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:30PM (2 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @01:30PM (#1008605) Journal

          We agree on the trajectory, but not the outcome. Armed Antifa and Woke are seizing territory in American cities and burning and looting and killing. The government is allowing it to happen, which means the reaction will not be controlled and will consume everyone and everything. Cast your lot carefully, because it matters.

          It sounds like you're betting on the overlords of CHAZ/CHOP, who are already falling out among themselves and are failing at the basic machinery of life like sanitation, food, organization, etc. Meanwhile the other side is quietly cleaning its weapons and adding to the stockpile of ammunition they have been amassing for decades.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:41PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @04:41PM (#1008720)

            The "other side" is quietly wondering what the darn kids are yapping about now and turning up the TV.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @03:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @03:04AM (#1009003)

            Have you considered switching careers? Because the fiction you're writing might make you some money.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:42PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @12:42PM (#1008571)

        That's odd. Maybe you've been watching too much of that. I don't recommend the pseudo-left, because you'll come to absurd conclusions like that.

        I was influenced by ST:TOS, which features a socialist society predicated on the labor theory of value, socialist culture, post-scarcity, and an optimistic view of the future and the other. Granted, there were fictional elements like warp drives and Heisenberg compensators too, but those are just storytelling devices.

        Give it a watch some time.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @04:18AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @04:18AM (#1009025)

          Sounds like TV for obsolete BOOMERS. BOOMERS must be annihilated, and we have a convenient viral weapon that can help with that. Spread the word.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 16 2020, @06:35AM (#1008500)

      The world and reality are progressive, otherwise we would still be wearing fur clothes, drawing on cave walls, and clubbing each other for some reason, or another.

      https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/image-450w-105465722.jpg [shutterstock.com]
      https://3dempire.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/6-1.jpg [3dempire.org]
      https://rainbowwarrior2005.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/batons_133193800_620x350.jpg [wordpress.com]

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @10:15AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @10:15AM (#1009066)

      Do you know why the world has seen such relative peace? Is it because we've all become secretly nice and friendly even though literally every single observation you could make of such a notion (beyond groups of already homogeneous folks) would render such an idea absurd? Even though violent crime has skyrocketed since those old regressive times? No. The reason the world has seen such relative peace is because, and only because, of a little event [wikipedia.org] or two with a Fat Man that happened in the latter half of 1945. If not for that, then indeed you would see us regularly killing one another as we always have and very possibly always may.

      Watch one of the countless time lapsed histories [youtube.com] of the world. It's quite informative. Ostensibly you'd come to believe that in modern times we reached something like a stability - finally coming to a peace with one another. But in reality the exact opposite is true. Up until 1945 the world was dividing and conquering, falling, and repeating more rapidly than ever before. The one and only thing that temporarily halted our tendencies was a Fat Man. But that deterrence will too eventually fade as it becomes counteracted by various defensive techniques at which point we're going to get right back to the game. Hell even look domestically. You think this country is going to last at its current rate?

      In any point, modern 'progressivism' is little more than a rebranding of fascism with a bit of 1984 and newspeak added in. It's not about the politics (though I suspect most progressive would have loved the Italian Fascist party's political ideology) but about the intolerance that defines fascism. And indeed the intolerance invariably leads to an implosion and backlash. That you can't see this is already happening is indicative you are spending way too much time in echo chambers.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @12:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 17 2020, @12:01PM (#1009074)

        Violent crime rates have fallen lately, probably linked to the banning of leaded gasoline and lead paints.

  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Bot on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:58AM

    by Bot (3902) on Tuesday June 16 2020, @11:58AM (#1008551) Journal

    In soviet russia the soviet paradise predicts YOU!!!

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