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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday June 21 2020, @11:53PM   Printer-friendly

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

Australia's conservative government announced plans Friday to double university fees for humanities students, in a bid to push people into more useful, "job-relevant" courses like maths and science.

Under the proposal—which critics panned as an "ideological assault"—the cost of degrees like history or cultural studies will rise up to 113 percent to around US$29,000, while other courses such as nursing and information technology will become cheaper.

Education Minister Dan Tehan—an arts graduate with two advanced degrees in international relations—said the government wanted to corral young people towards "jobs of the future" to boost the country's economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic.

"If you are wanting to do philosophy, which will be great for your critical thinking, also think about doing IT," Tehan said.

The plan would help pay for an additional 39,000 university places by 2023 and for cost cuts for courses like science, agriculture, maths and languages.

[...] "I'm an arts graduate and so is the minister for education so I'm not sure you can draw the conclusion that we're completely unemployable," said opposition lawmaker Tanya Plibersek.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday June 22 2020, @01:52AM (12 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 22 2020, @01:52AM (#1010872) Journal

    When BLM call for STEM to be shut down

    [Citation needed]

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:10AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:10AM (#1010882)

    Web site [shutdownstem.com] & Bret Weinstein discussion [youtu.be]

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Monday June 22 2020, @02:32AM (5 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 22 2020, @02:32AM (#1010902) Journal

      Web site

      I asked for citation not garbage. Garbage I get without effort [abc.net.au]

      Bret Weinstein discussion

      Who is not pointing to BLM, but to a larger "my ignorance is as good as your science" movement, started long ago [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by RandomFactor on Monday June 22 2020, @03:10AM (1 child)

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 22 2020, @03:10AM (#1010921) Journal

        There's a #shutdownstem with lots of links to things like https://grist.org/justice/earth-scientists-shutdownstem-and-reckon-with-racism-in-their-departments/ [grist.org] that call out to BLM. No idea how recent it all is, but opportunistically linking [your cause here] to BLM is certainly a thing.
         
        Also a #shutdownacademia, I wonder if there is one for everything.

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday June 22 2020, @03:16AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 22 2020, @03:16AM (#1010924) Journal

          Seems like the equivalent of a strike rather than a call to shutdown STEM for good - the later would not make sense coming from researchers.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @03:21AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @03:21AM (#1010929)

        That is the website dude, prefer an article? [theenergymix.com] If you want a direct citation, go search twitter to find the BLM activists promoting it. And are you really claiming Weinstein doesn't know what he's talking about or that Stalinesque, racial student quotas and anti-science are mutually exclusive aims of the social justice fanatics? Do I really need to review the purge of Bourgeois Specialists, Lysenkoism and Sharashka under Stalin or would you be better than I at explaining to others where this nonsense leads?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @03:43AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @03:43AM (#1010944)

          That is the website dude, prefer an article?

          There's a difference between a call to a strike and an attempt to promote creationism and "post-truth truths" on equal footing with science (what Weinstein is discussing)

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @05:33AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @05:33AM (#1010992)

            Apparently then, you missed the post-truth rationale used to justify the "strike"? Before we get to that, Weinstein once famously pointed out. [wa.gov]

            There is a huge difference between a group or coalition deciding to voluntarily absent themselves from a shared space in order to highlight their vital and underappreciated roles....and a group encouraging another group to go away. The first is a forceful call to consciousness, which is, of course, crippling to the logic of oppression. The second is a show of force, and an act of oppression in and of itself.

            Which is the Shut Down Stem? Nobody I know is going on "strike" over easily disprovable claims, never mind being excluded on behalf of third parties. Let's investigate the claims. [cfact.org]

            What IS odd, however, is that none of the STEM stop work scientist groups ever brought up the elephant in the room – the poor performance of Black American students in far too many of our urban high schools (which has little or nothing to do with any lack of inherent ability and everything to do with the racism of big city political machines).

            So we'd be striking because Democrat run big cities are racist? The first part of the quoted claim is true, if the second is true why would a strike be a better course of action than the ballot box? The entire premise of your "call to strike" (which isn't) can only exist in a post-truth reality.

            In STEM, we create technologies that affect every part of our society and are routinely weaponized against Black people.

            Just what kind of massive racists are behind ShutDownStem? [shutdownstem.com] Nothing I've worked on in my jobs over 3 decades has ever been weaponized against anyone. This shit makes creationism look sane, everyone needs to apologize to Kent Hovind right now!

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:15AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:15AM (#1010888)

    They'll call for it eventually after they're done with the following:
    political opponents
    police
    free speech
    human rights for non POC (except in China)
    statues
    history
    capitalism
    theistic religions (except islam)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @02:35AM (#1010904)

      They'll call for it eventually

      Right. Mayan calendar or Nostradamus?

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:31AM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:31AM (#1011400) Journal

      And THAT'S when you rappel down from the helicopter, fully-automatic machine guns in each hand, ammo bandoliers across your chest and burning cigar clenched between your teeth, and proceed to deal out merry high-velocity leaden Hell on a democratic basis for Truth*, Justice*, Freedom*, and The American Way* I assume?

      Don't forget: up up down down left right left right B A Start. You're gonna need it...

      * may not actually be true, just, free, or in line with the Constitution.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @11:31AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @11:31AM (#1011507)

        Popper's paradox of tolerance brought you here I assume? Lock, load and break out those Cubans!

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:31PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:31PM (#1011546) Journal

          No, but now that you mention it, that *is* something some people here on this site would do well to study. It really is a problem for them, and correctly worked through, can be an interesting critical thinking exercise, specifically about how to spot the informal fallacy of the stolen concept.

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