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Apple's New ARM-Based Macs Won't Support Windows Through Boot Camp:
Apple will start switching its Macs to its own ARM-based processors later this year, but you won't be able to run Windows in Boot Camp mode on them. Microsoft only licenses Windows 10 on ARM to PC makers to preinstall on new hardware, and the company hasn't made copies of the operating system available for anyone to license or freely install.
"Microsoft only licenses Windows 10 on ARM to OEMs," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. We asked Microsoft if it plans to change this policy to allow Windows 10 on ARM-based Macs, and the company says "we have nothing further to share at this time."
[...] Apple later confirmed it's not planning to support Boot Camp on ARM-based Macs in a Daring Fireball podcast. "We're not direct booting an alternate operating system," says Craig Federighi, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering. "Purely virtualization is the route. These hypervisors can be very efficient, so the need to direct boot shouldn't really be the concern."
Previously: Apple Announces 2-Year Transition to ARM SoCs in Mac Desktops and Laptops
(Score: 2) by Kitsune008 on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:19PM (6 children)
Maybe you're not holding it right?
Uhm, it needs rounded corners to work right?
;-)
All bad jokes aside, there are many businesses and individuals that have signed onto the MS Windows way, for good or bad, that is reality. This is going to hurt Apple some, IMHO.
I understand the desire to go to ARM, and their 'walled garden' approach, but until MS gets with the ARM architecture in a serious way, my advice to Apple would be to offer both x86 and ARM until MS catches up.
Then again, I don't really know much about this issue, maybe it's more difficult than it seems to me. :-)
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday June 28 2020, @02:22AM (4 children)
I dunno, Apple people are special. I think this comic still holds true:
https://www.stickycomics.com/wp-content/uploads/update_for_your_computer.jpg [stickycomics.com]
(Score: 2) by helel on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:47PM (3 children)
But Windows 10 costs $150 while every update to Mac OS X has been free* for a decade or more now?
*after the price of admission.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:20PM (1 child)
Yeah, that comic is 10 years old. I wasn't trying to be so specific- just that Apple people are strongly loyal, and I doubt that Apple will lose any market share if they don't support Windows... or if it's snail-slow in x86 emulation mode.
We need to clarify- MacOS updates may be free, but they stop updating after only a few years. My first inclination is to give MS big credit for OS updates coming far more years later than Apple does.
But, then I remember one of my major beefs with almost everything anymore: why was it so broken in the first place? Maybe the more updates you supply (and sizes thereof) you should be penalized somehow (for releasing something so horrible in the first place).
Will we ever live to see a fully mature piece of major software? Like even as we're all beta-testers, couldn't someone make it a goal to fully debug something major?
(Score: 2) by helel on Monday June 29 2020, @04:59AM
Sadly the age of (relatively) mature software seems to be past and things are only getting worse, year by year.
As for loss of market share - Chances are most people didn't purchase a mac with the intent of running Windows anyway. The bigger problem, to my point of view, is the damage this will do to WINE and other interpreters which, right now, makes it fast and (relatively) easy to run Windows executables in OS X and that's not a problem most people are going to realize until the latest spyware media app doesn't get released for the mac long after they bought it.
(Score: 2) by Pino P on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:20PM
Updates to macOS have been without charge* on supported hardware since OS X 10.7 "Lion". However, replacing no-longer-supported Mac hardware with supported hardware continues to be an ongoing cost. Windows, by comparison, hasn't noticeably increased its system requirements since Windows Vista 6.0SP1 "Mojave". There was a bit of a jump at 8.1 when PAE, NX, and CMPXCHG16B became required, but that's it.
* An update to macOS involves a download of multiple gigabytes at standard data rates. This could cause rural users stuck on satellite or cellular to incur substantial overage fees.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:57PM
Both Apple and Microsoft have a walled garden approach on ARM machines. Or has that changed recently? We're just seeing two walled gardens collide.
Linux itself has no walled garden approach. But even they have trouble with some of the GPU's on ARM machines. And some Linux-based operating systems have put a walled garden on top of Linux.