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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday June 27 2020, @05:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the biggest-loser-competition dept.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/facebook-faces-advertiser-backlash-over-its-handling-of-racism-hate-speech/

"Amid this global movement to end anti-Blackness, we credit these companies for answering our call swiftly and taking a clear stand for what's right so we can hold Facebook accountable for its racist policies," said Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, which is one of the groups organizing the boycott.

Almost 100 firms have joined the boycott so far, Robinson said, adding: "Facebook has a decision to make: adopt a civil rights infrastructure or continue to see key advertisers dropping from its platform."

[...] Most recently, the tension between Facebook and the content its users share has come to a head due to messages posted by President Donald Trump and his re-election campaign in the past month, amid nationwide protests in support of Black communities and against police violence. Twitter in late May took action against a Trump tweet by appending a warning that it glorified violence against protesters, in contravention of the site's rules. Facebook, however, took no action against the same content, and the company took heat from both civil rights advocates and employees over that choice.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @05:52PM (34 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @05:52PM (#1013319)

    What, are blacks being censored on Facebook? Wouldn't that make headlines?

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Saturday June 27 2020, @06:30PM (32 children)

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 27 2020, @06:30PM (#1013328) Journal

    Not really a shock, but the other perspective is that the boycott is about implementing anti conservative, not anti hate, policies [issuesinsights.com]
     
    Facebook is already buckling. Not unexpected, conservatives already pretty much hate it, but I think FB initially didn't want to go too far down that road as a hedge against a potential change in their Section 230 status. IMO the main social media players being reevaluted in this regard is warranted.
     
    These players were extended common carrier protections. However over time they have continued to push outside the common carrier role, acting less and less as 'common carriers' such that they are now little distinguishable from traditional media.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @06:47PM (26 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @06:47PM (#1013331)

      Regardless of what political views you all have, keep in mind what forces are being arrayed in our country to oppose an elected president of the United States. Even if you hate him, remember from history that as the Great Cultural Revolution runs its course, the Red Guards may eventually come to pick you as their target when the "correct" opinion transforms.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:16PM (#1013334)

        That was always the correct opinion, Comrade. Just look on the ifnoweb, the page has clearly never been altered!

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:57PM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:57PM (#1013348)

        Not that long ago, "tolerance" was the buzzword. Then they realized they lived in glass houses.

        I think racism will end when people stop setting themselves apart from mainstream society.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:34AM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:34AM (#1013479)

          > I think racism will end when people stop setting themselves apart from mainstream society.

          I think racism will end when we are mostly mutts, enough mixing of different skin colors and it won't matter anymore.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:58AM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:58AM (#1013490)

            Genetically engineered humans will put racism back on the plate. Or at least some kind of extreme genetic classism.

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday June 28 2020, @01:02AM (7 children)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday June 28 2020, @01:02AM (#1013493)

              Shouldn't CRISPR fix that? If you're being discriminated against because you don't have the in-vogue genetic enhancements, now with CRISPR you don't need to have been born with those enhancements; you can just have them added later.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @01:16AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @01:16AM (#1013500)

                I doubt it would be useful past very early development stages.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @02:37AM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @02:37AM (#1013535)

                It's like turning a man into a trans woman. They still have the bone structure and other baggage. You need to edit at or before the embryo stage.

                • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:29PM (3 children)

                  by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:29PM (#1013735)

                  No, you don't (in theory). There's no reason genetic code changes and gene expression can't cause a biological organism to completely morph, with sufficient time of course. The cells in your body are constantly dying and being replaced, and that includes bone. The only reason this stuff doesn't work now is because we're genetically coded to age and not to change much after adulthood, because there were evolutionary advantages to this strategy, but with sufficiently-advanced medical and genetic technology, this can be overcome. It's not going to happen anytime soon of course, but physics don't prevent it. Even now, humans will regenerate lost bone and tissue, such as from a severed limb, the problem is just that for adults the growth rate is so slow that it's insignificant. And your body will also consume and reduce bone mass if you stop using your muscles (just ask astronauts). It's entirely possible to turn an existing human into a completely different human physically (e.g. 6'4" man into 5'0" woman or vice-versa) biologically, by "hacking" existing body processes, we just don't know how yet.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:00PM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:00PM (#1013811)

                    You may get some good and useful results with gene therapy, but the most comprehensive results will be from editing as early as possible. If you try to edit a fully grown adult, surgery may be needed to make the body match the new genome. To avoid off-target errors associated with CRISPR or editing trillions of cells, the full genome should be synthesized from scratch and inserted into an embryo or synthetic embryo. That doesn't help people who are already alive and it introduces ethical issues, but parents would do it if it meant superior offspring. Another option for adults would be to create a new body and do a brain transplant into it.

                    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Monday June 29 2020, @12:52AM (1 child)

                      by acid andy (1683) on Monday June 29 2020, @12:52AM (#1013916) Homepage Journal

                      Another option for adults would be to create a new body and do a brain transplant into it.

                      I thought of that too, but they'll need some seriously exotic tech (nanotechnology?) to scan the exact configuration of nerve connections and recreate them. I expect the entire central nervous system differs from person to person, in which case it wouldn't just be a need to find the "right" nerve to connect up to each part of the brain, as the "right" nerve might not exist on the other body.

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              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:14AM

                by The Vocal Minority (2765) on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:14AM (#1013547) Journal

                I'm not sure if I should mod you informative or funny...

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:11PM (5 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:11PM (#1013350) Journal

        The government of the US that will oppress the population is fascist rather than Communist. I'm not sure of the correct tense here, as certain segments of the population are already being suppressed. The real question, however, is the form of fascism. Currently it looks as if the corporations may be running the government rather than the other way around.

        Note: China is a very interesting example of how this isn't a linear system. China is both partially Communist and partially fascist, though with the government very definitely on top. (It isn't nearly as Communist as its rhetoric. If it tried it would be a failed state very quickly. But it is, or has been until recently, a populist based totalitarian system. I'm not sure how populist based it still is, but the rhetoric is still populist.)

        I'm not sure that there is a government of an industrial country that isn't either fascist or ostensibly Communist. (I say "ostensibly" as I don't believe that there's an actual Communist country on the planet. Perhaps some small island somewhere. The system doesn't scale. Most countries that call themselves Communist are actually totalitarian fascists...which is not a redundancy.) That said, communist (small "c") groups are fairly common in the very small scale. Say 50 or fewer people. They do require a charismatic leader, and tend to change into something else either because success causes them to grow until communism doesn't work or because they fail, or lose their leader.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:57PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:57PM (#1013413)

          Most countries that call themselves Communist are actually totalitarian fascists...which is not a redundancy.

          No it isn't. Fascism is what the Soviet Union would have looked like if Stalin had not reverted Lenin's market reforms. Fascism was what Mussolini saw as the reality of a Communist state. The only thing missing for China to become full fascist is the concept of expansionism under total war, which we may see as their economy falters.

          Collectivist movements are dangerous, especially the current "woke" idiots being manipulated by the undermining their personal autonomy in the name of "social justice". [lewrockwell.com] Individualism is not subscribing to collectivist race, gender and sexuality groups but this is what they've been taught. Add in the labeling of liberal democracy and the rule of law as "fascistic" and the idiots think they've a moral cause. They're neo-puritans [patheos.com] and liberals are now cast as infidels.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:09PM (#1013417)

            Identity politics aren't "woke", bruh. It's just the same old race baiting.
            Individualism doesn't mean you have to reject decency and common sense. Individualism does not mean licking boots and flinging poo. How can you even suggest that a government which has been wiping it's ass with the Constitution since it was written has anything to do with the rule of law?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:09PM (2 children)

          by Arik (4543) on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:09PM (#1013418) Journal
          Despite some rhetorical communism, the CCP is 100% Fascist in implementation. The same can be said for most, if not all, ostensibly "Communist" groups still in existence.
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:04PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:04PM (#1013455)

            Despite some rhetorical communism, the CCP is 100% Fascist in implementation.

            This is just further proof real communism has not been tried yet.

            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:16PM

              by Arik (4543) on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:16PM (#1013460) Journal
              Arguably, the USSR practiced it for awhile. It collapsed, unable to provide for the people, even as other nations around it saw rising standards of living.

              The PRC saw that happening, and chose Fascism instead of economic collapse.
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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:30AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:30AM (#1013563)

        Oh right, let us totally forget about the shit the GOP did during Obama's terms and all the racists who wouldn't let up. Hell, one of those racists who promoted conspiracy theories is now fuming and getting his supporters all worked up because people don't like his criminal behavior.

        The short version is that Democrats are pursuing things legally, while the GOP is busy breaking their oaths and looting the country.

        But of course you brainwashed fools buy into the Fox conspiracies while blaming others for the consequences of your own choices. Such whiny little snowflakes terrified of fascism while simultaneously championing rightwing fascism.

        I just can't even.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32AM (#1013589)

          Hell, one of those racists who promoted conspiracy theories is now fuming and getting his her supporters all worked up ...

          • https://www.dailywire.com/news/hillary-invented-birtherism-11-things-media-wont-john-nolte
          • https://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/we_have_to_bring_them_to_heel_watch_a_decade_of_hillary_clintons_shameful_hypocrisy_on_racism/
          • https://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-clinton-insiders-reveal-blame-russia-plan-hatched-within-24-hours-of-election-loss/5589964
      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:38AM (5 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:38AM (#1013591) Journal

        Regardless of what political views you all have, keep in mind what forces are being arrayed in our country to oppose an elected president of the United States.

        Which, the last time I looked [wikipedia.org], is not illegal. So, what's your complaint?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:04PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:04PM (#1013683)

          The loss of our liberties in a collectivist fervor. But, last time I looked, you are Australian and you have no skin in this game.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:27PM (3 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:27PM (#1013695) Journal

            But, last time I looked, you are Australian and you have no skin in this game.

            Just curios.
            Like how come you're not saying anything about Citizen United (the loss of your liberties to the highest bidder) but just whinge your favorite hors... (no, make that an ass) is booed.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 29 2020, @02:10AM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 29 2020, @02:10AM (#1013945) Journal
              Not the previous poster, but I see Citizens United as a straightforward consequence of the First Amendment. And the law which was overturned was not that significant a defense against bribery.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29 2020, @03:00AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 29 2020, @03:00AM (#1013962)

                but I see Citizens United as a straightforward consequence of the First Amendment.

                Enjoy your [wikipedia.org] "one dollar one vote" plutocracy.
                The political class acts in the same direction, more intense lately [wikipedia.org], may not take that long for even khallow be purged from electoral roll for insufficient wealth.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 30 2020, @12:28AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 30 2020, @12:28AM (#1014317) Journal
                  It's sometimes hard to remember that rights aren't just for your protection, but also to protect others from you!
    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:22PM (2 children)

      by looorg (578) on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:22PM (#1013337)

      Seems like a lot of companies and organizations are just taking this opportunity to do some "free" virtue-signaling -- changing little graphics on the their pages, linking little messages of support or even doing a small donation. They figure it will not really cost them anything so why not. They probably figure it's going to appease more people then it deters, and for most people it won't mean anything in the end and for the company profit line it will hardly even be noticeable.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:03PM (#1013349)

        And/or they're trying to seem "hip", "cool", "with-it", culturally relevant... just marketing / PR.

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:33PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @03:33PM (#1013698)

        Except that it's actually coordinated subversion of the nation, and whites, in general, by the same people running the cultural marxist mobs. This is not all just a big coincidence and virtue signalling alone.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:28PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:28PM (#1013358)

      the boycott is about implementing anti conservative, not anti hate, policies

      Perhaps. If so, then that's what you get if you put conversative babies in racist badwater.

      • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:14PM

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:14PM (#1013421) Journal

        A very enlightened attitude towards collateral damage.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by VLM on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:33PM

    by VLM (445) on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:33PM (#1013360)

    Its just the revolution eating its young.

    So far its just dumb boycotts instead of French Revolution Guillotine work, but I suspect the (((usual suspects))) will eventually get a bunch of people by continuing toxic subversion.