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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday June 27 2020, @05:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the biggest-loser-competition dept.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/facebook-faces-advertiser-backlash-over-its-handling-of-racism-hate-speech/

"Amid this global movement to end anti-Blackness, we credit these companies for answering our call swiftly and taking a clear stand for what's right so we can hold Facebook accountable for its racist policies," said Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, which is one of the groups organizing the boycott.

Almost 100 firms have joined the boycott so far, Robinson said, adding: "Facebook has a decision to make: adopt a civil rights infrastructure or continue to see key advertisers dropping from its platform."

[...] Most recently, the tension between Facebook and the content its users share has come to a head due to messages posted by President Donald Trump and his re-election campaign in the past month, amid nationwide protests in support of Black communities and against police violence. Twitter in late May took action against a Trump tweet by appending a warning that it glorified violence against protesters, in contravention of the site's rules. Facebook, however, took no action against the same content, and the company took heat from both civil rights advocates and employees over that choice.


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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:57PM (39 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @07:57PM (#1013347)

    The Dixie Chicks are changing their name to The Chicks because Dixie is racist.
    Listen you stupid fucks... Saying "Black Lives Matter" defines as "blacks are superior to everyone else's life". It's racist against all non-blacks.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:22PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:22PM (#1013354)

    Here's what's next- it's going to be okay to beat someone down for a single word uttered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Wnjo4vLRs [youtube.com]

    I think the person NOT wearing a mask needs a beatdown.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:34PM (7 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:34PM (#1013361) Journal

    It that's what it means to you, that says more about you than about the phrase.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:42PM (#1013367)
    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:17PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:17PM (#1013385)

      If I held a sign that says "White lives matter" in a black neighborhood would they think I'm racist? I'd get shot dumbass. The racists are those complaining about racism.

      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:31PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:31PM (#1013399)

        You fucking racist! We know you are a racist! See how much Progress America has made about being Great? Back in the Fifties, no racist fucker would have been upset about being called "racist", and now we have poor conservative "White lives matter" racists all insulted at being called what they are, racist! So take your reverse racism and stick it up your racist ass, you fucking racist racist person, you!!! Racist.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:52PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:52PM (#1013411) Journal

          There's no such thing as "reverse racism". Perhaps self-loathing white people might qualify, but that's not a for-sure. Racism is racism, and the black guy who hates whites is just as guilty of the same crime, as the white guy who hates blacks.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24AM (#1013596)

            Wrong as usual.

            Reverse racism is what happens when someone is persecuted repeatedly. Their anger is justified, but sadly it gets twisted into a hatred for everyone that resembles or tolerates their persecutors.

            Regular racism is just ignorance and fear without reason. Well, without REAL reasons.

            Ya know it is never too late to go back to school. Perhaps you should read A People's History of the United States.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:02PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:02PM (#1013711)

          The term "racist" is anti-white propaganda cooked up by Jews. It presupposes that being a racialist (promoting, protecting, etc your race) is inherently morally wrong. Therefore, if you deny being "racist" they still win, as you have acknowledged that being a "racialist" is wrong. This is why "racist" is almost always used against Whites (it was designed to discourage positive white racial identity and actions/policies). When "racist" is used by Whites, it's because they have been duped.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @05:02PM (#1013727)

            White is a lie. There is no one white race, but many. My skin color isn't a compelling reason to join up with whackjobs who want to blame white Jews for some conspiracy against all the other white people.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:49PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:49PM (#1013370)

    BLM: Hey Dixie Chicks
    DC: wot?
    BLM: u r racist
    DC: and?
    BLM: I kneel on my knee
    DC: and?
    BLM: I topple your statue
    DC: and?
    BLM: I shut down your Facebook page
    C: Nooo! We now call ourselves Chicks instead.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:28PM (#1013392)

      No, now it's The Chicks With Dicks

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @02:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @02:03AM (#1013517)

      Isn't "chicks" sexist?

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:49PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @08:49PM (#1013372)

    In Atlanta the other day, some Mexican got shot and killed by police. Had it been another black, there would have been more riots.

    During the first day of the Atlanta riots, they had some rapper trying to talk them down, all while waring a shirt that read "kill you masters". Lets see how long a white person lasts with a shirt that reads "beat your slaves". Double standards out the wazoo. It absolutely is racism against non-blacks.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by pe1rxq on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:04PM (2 children)

      by pe1rxq (844) on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:04PM (#1013380) Homepage

      If you think that is a double standard, you really have mental issues..

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:13PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:13PM (#1013383)

        Speaking of mental issues, did you realize the SJW movement began in the 1950s when they began emptying out state mental hospitals?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:24PM (#1013390)

          Nah. It began on August 18, 1920 when a bunch of bitches got fed up doing chores.

    • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:34PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:34PM (#1013401)

      all while waring a shirt

      "warring" shirt?
      "warning" shirt?
      "Waring Blender" shirt?
      "waving" shirt?

      I cannot ascertain your meaning. Could you use the correct words?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @04:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 30 2020, @04:35PM (#1014565)

        Please, please, I'm begging you, please join Twitter!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:00PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:00PM (#1013414)

      It's rather telling that you view yourself as a "master".

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:23PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:23PM (#1013426)

        Could it be? "Kill your masters", a racist dogwhistle? I'm sure nobody will creatively interpret that kind of statement, and literally kill the people they perceive to be their masters.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:31PM (#1013431)

          Black people don't look at white people as their masters. Poor people look at rich people as their masters.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:54AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:54AM (#1013488)

        Bet he sleeps in the slave room. [kansas.com]

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:18PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:18PM (#1013386)

    And "Chicks" is sexist, so by the time the SJWs are finished this group will be called.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:25PM (11 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:25PM (#1013391) Journal

    No it doesn't. Let me break this down for you: "black lives matter" is the punchy, sloganized form. In slightly longer form it's "black lives ALSO matter," and in full form it's "All lives matter and black ones have been systematically devalued for 400+ years, so let's change that, shall we?"

    Your problem is zero-sum thinking. That's the thing about human rights: there's enough to go around for everyone, by definition, *unless* someone or something is preventing this from being the case.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:01PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:01PM (#1013453)

      in full form it's"All lives matter and black ones have been systematically devalued for 400+ years, so let's change that, shall we?"

      The shortened version of "all lives matter" works just fine. It as a phrase is more inclusive and emphasises the diversity of individuals targeted by race.

      For example in the bay area Asians have been a disproportionate target of physical assault [sfgate.com].

      Your problem is zero-sum thinking.

      When racist policies like affirmative action create a set of double-standards for the limited number of college and job openings then blowback should be expected.

      Sure it is not completely zero-sum but neither is there "enough to go around for everyone," and diversity quotas without a consistent set of metrics will breed resentment.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:01AM (2 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:01AM (#1013468) Journal

        I've actually said similar things about affirmative action, that it's a band-aid for a tumor. But consider this: what do you offer in its stead? A bandage is better than nothing and if the alternative is nothing I will damn well take the bandage. That said, any doctor who tells a cancer patient a bandage is a cancer cure is a dangerous quack, and any doctor who tells a patient "take the bandage and fuck off forever" is guilty of malpractice. Cure the cancer.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:22AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:22AM (#1013605)

          Well, it worked so well in Australia they rolled it back. Should they put the bandage back in place?

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:28PM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:28PM (#1013774) Journal

            I haven't followed Australia's version of this, though keep in mind the US and Australia aren't equivalent.

            My thoughts on the matter roughly come down to this: skewing the college admissions process isn't going to make up for lead poisoning, food deserts, redlining, lack of medical care, poor primary and secondary schools, and police bias. At best it's bullshit middle-class white guilt that passive racists, MLK Jr's "white moderates," use to congratulate themselves and soothe their underdeveloped consciences. At worst, it's an insult. Fix the underlying systems...but don't take away what little has already been done before doing so.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:47AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:47AM (#1013486)

      Your problem is zero-sum thinking. That's the thing about human rights: there's enough to go around for everyone, by definition, *unless* someone or something is preventing this from being the case.

      Precisely. Something like "affirmative action", for one example.
      Your problem is blatant disregard of the real world. The arguments you base on observably false premises, are but a waste of good ASCII characters.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32PM (#1013777) Journal

        Way to deliberately miss the point. Am I a fan of affirmative action? No, I think it's middle-class white-guilt bullshit, a bandaid for a tumor...but since the doctor won't cure the cancer, the bandage is better than nothing. Fix the underlying issues. You, of course, want to do no such thing. Your whining is an extended Karen-tinged "butbutbut ALLLLLL LIIIIIIIIVES MATTERRRRR!!!1111one" and it's obvious to anyone watching you. Fuck off with the self-serving dishonest horseshit.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:08PM (#1013714)

      That's the way you choose to interpret it (cultural relativism), whereby you assume good intentions by these paid agents of Jewish Supremacists. This is about forcing anti-white discrimination in the form of self righteous racial discrimination (aka promoting diversity and inclusion). No Whites should be funding the federal government or working for any company that tows the fed or PC line. If you go along, you are participating in your children's diminished future (to put it mildly)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:01PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:01PM (#1013744)

      You have the head of BLM saying white lives do not matter. It is from their own mouths. But we can ignore that for now.

      The democrat mayors of these cities have had 50+ years to fix their police departments. They didnt. The BLM movement is the abject condemnation of democrat party at this point. They have failed as leaders. They let this fester. They created section 8 housing then put it in a nice neat small boxes in areas of our cities. They then gave these people just enough to get by but not enough to do better. Then they realized it was stupid bulldozed those section 8 houses and scattered them across the city. Thinking somehow that would fix things. Meanwhile they do nothing to keep jobs in their cities and let companies up and move to china. Nothing to stem the tide of under the table pay to mexicans who want a better life but can be deported at the drop of one dime. Taking up what few jobs remained behind. So you ended up with a whole section of people who can not dig their way out because there are no jobs. That was *just* starting to change last year. But no lets lock everyone back up in their houses and apartments. Close all those jobs off again. Go back to your section 8 housing and live on the doll from the gov again. You pissed off about that? Well here is the crack of a baton to make sure you stay inside and be sure to 'be safe'.

      I have watched my black friends not suffer at the hands of the police. But at the hands of democrats who do nothing to help other than make it harder to get a job. My black friends who got jobs are doing *wildly* better than those around them. Those who stay together and take care of their families do *wildly* better than those around them. Those who stay on the dole and play 'get my money from the government' live in shitty housing with cinderblocks for walls.

      One sheriff in Illinois put it best 'the best disinfectant for crime is jobs'. Jobs. We need jobs. Not made up ones that just steal money from one group and give it to another. Jobs that build things make things create things.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:09PM (2 children)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:09PM (#1013756) Journal

        So you're on board with me then, that pretty much everyone making under seven figures regardless of skin tone has a common enemy, this being the political/moneyed class? :)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24PM (#1013798)

          Not particularly my point. I am pointing my fingers at the DNC. They never stopped segmenting and oppressing people. The RNC is basically a do nothing and a boogie man for the DNC to keep their people in line.

          Is the DNC beholden to large corps. Absolutely. Is Marxisim the answer. Well I can point to Russia, Germany, Cuba, Venezuela, large swaths of China and pretty resoundingly say no. Down that path leads to you not being pure enough for the party. They *will* purge you.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 29 2020, @01:42AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 29 2020, @01:42AM (#1013927) Journal

            I've been saying for years on this very site that the DNC is essentially made of Republicans who don't quite hate gays as hard as the GOP. You really ought to read my post history before assuming what I think. I will grant that is a *lot* of reading, but try not to come into this with assumptions that don't hold up, okay? It's a barrier to communication.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:21PM (#1013425)

    The Dixie Chicks are changing their name to The Chicks because Dixie is racist.

    But the "chicks" is supporting the patriarchy!!1!

    I remember when they were the target of rightist scum, now they are getting it from leftist scum.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:29PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:29PM (#1013429)

    There probably is a an element of racism underlying "Black Lives Matter" because the whole retort of "all lives matter" and everything associated, could have been avoided entirely with one three letter word: "Black Lives Matter Too"

    By intentionally omitting that little word, whoever started the BLM thing either intentionally or negligently turned it into a race war slogan. Clearly something is wrong if by virtue of its vagary, the slogan requires columns of text and hours of video to explain that what it really means is that black lives matter too. Having done nothing to make the phrase clear and concise after being made aware of its problematic nature, and choosing to keep the original slogan which can mean different things -- anything from "supremacy" to "also" -- makes it seem much less likely that it was a negligent choice of words and more likely an intentional one.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:33PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @10:33PM (#1013435)

      To make "black lives matter" a racist statement, you would have to add "only" to the front.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:08AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:08AM (#1013473)

        By that metric, "White Lives Matter" is just as acceptable. Except it isn't. The BLM slogan is vague by design I think -- it gives cover to the racists because people can can always explain there is a silent "too" at the end, and it can be used as code for black supremacy when the audience is appropriate for that.