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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday June 27 2020, @05:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the biggest-loser-competition dept.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/06/facebook-faces-advertiser-backlash-over-its-handling-of-racism-hate-speech/

"Amid this global movement to end anti-Blackness, we credit these companies for answering our call swiftly and taking a clear stand for what's right so we can hold Facebook accountable for its racist policies," said Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, which is one of the groups organizing the boycott.

Almost 100 firms have joined the boycott so far, Robinson said, adding: "Facebook has a decision to make: adopt a civil rights infrastructure or continue to see key advertisers dropping from its platform."

[...] Most recently, the tension between Facebook and the content its users share has come to a head due to messages posted by President Donald Trump and his re-election campaign in the past month, amid nationwide protests in support of Black communities and against police violence. Twitter in late May took action against a Trump tweet by appending a warning that it glorified violence against protesters, in contravention of the site's rules. Facebook, however, took no action against the same content, and the company took heat from both civil rights advocates and employees over that choice.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:25PM (11 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday June 27 2020, @09:25PM (#1013391) Journal

    No it doesn't. Let me break this down for you: "black lives matter" is the punchy, sloganized form. In slightly longer form it's "black lives ALSO matter," and in full form it's "All lives matter and black ones have been systematically devalued for 400+ years, so let's change that, shall we?"

    Your problem is zero-sum thinking. That's the thing about human rights: there's enough to go around for everyone, by definition, *unless* someone or something is preventing this from being the case.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:01PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2020, @11:01PM (#1013453)

    in full form it's"All lives matter and black ones have been systematically devalued for 400+ years, so let's change that, shall we?"

    The shortened version of "all lives matter" works just fine. It as a phrase is more inclusive and emphasises the diversity of individuals targeted by race.

    For example in the bay area Asians have been a disproportionate target of physical assault [sfgate.com].

    Your problem is zero-sum thinking.

    When racist policies like affirmative action create a set of double-standards for the limited number of college and job openings then blowback should be expected.

    Sure it is not completely zero-sum but neither is there "enough to go around for everyone," and diversity quotas without a consistent set of metrics will breed resentment.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:01AM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:01AM (#1013468) Journal

      I've actually said similar things about affirmative action, that it's a band-aid for a tumor. But consider this: what do you offer in its stead? A bandage is better than nothing and if the alternative is nothing I will damn well take the bandage. That said, any doctor who tells a cancer patient a bandage is a cancer cure is a dangerous quack, and any doctor who tells a patient "take the bandage and fuck off forever" is guilty of malpractice. Cure the cancer.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:22AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @08:22AM (#1013605)

        Well, it worked so well in Australia they rolled it back. Should they put the bandage back in place?

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:28PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:28PM (#1013774) Journal

          I haven't followed Australia's version of this, though keep in mind the US and Australia aren't equivalent.

          My thoughts on the matter roughly come down to this: skewing the college admissions process isn't going to make up for lead poisoning, food deserts, redlining, lack of medical care, poor primary and secondary schools, and police bias. At best it's bullshit middle-class white guilt that passive racists, MLK Jr's "white moderates," use to congratulate themselves and soothe their underdeveloped consciences. At worst, it's an insult. Fix the underlying systems...but don't take away what little has already been done before doing so.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:47AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @12:47AM (#1013486)

    Your problem is zero-sum thinking. That's the thing about human rights: there's enough to go around for everyone, by definition, *unless* someone or something is preventing this from being the case.

    Precisely. Something like "affirmative action", for one example.
    Your problem is blatant disregard of the real world. The arguments you base on observably false premises, are but a waste of good ASCII characters.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:32PM (#1013777) Journal

      Way to deliberately miss the point. Am I a fan of affirmative action? No, I think it's middle-class white-guilt bullshit, a bandaid for a tumor...but since the doctor won't cure the cancer, the bandage is better than nothing. Fix the underlying issues. You, of course, want to do no such thing. Your whining is an extended Karen-tinged "butbutbut ALLLLLL LIIIIIIIIVES MATTERRRRR!!!1111one" and it's obvious to anyone watching you. Fuck off with the self-serving dishonest horseshit.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @04:08PM (#1013714)

    That's the way you choose to interpret it (cultural relativism), whereby you assume good intentions by these paid agents of Jewish Supremacists. This is about forcing anti-white discrimination in the form of self righteous racial discrimination (aka promoting diversity and inclusion). No Whites should be funding the federal government or working for any company that tows the fed or PC line. If you go along, you are participating in your children's diminished future (to put it mildly)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:01PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:01PM (#1013744)

    You have the head of BLM saying white lives do not matter. It is from their own mouths. But we can ignore that for now.

    The democrat mayors of these cities have had 50+ years to fix their police departments. They didnt. The BLM movement is the abject condemnation of democrat party at this point. They have failed as leaders. They let this fester. They created section 8 housing then put it in a nice neat small boxes in areas of our cities. They then gave these people just enough to get by but not enough to do better. Then they realized it was stupid bulldozed those section 8 houses and scattered them across the city. Thinking somehow that would fix things. Meanwhile they do nothing to keep jobs in their cities and let companies up and move to china. Nothing to stem the tide of under the table pay to mexicans who want a better life but can be deported at the drop of one dime. Taking up what few jobs remained behind. So you ended up with a whole section of people who can not dig their way out because there are no jobs. That was *just* starting to change last year. But no lets lock everyone back up in their houses and apartments. Close all those jobs off again. Go back to your section 8 housing and live on the doll from the gov again. You pissed off about that? Well here is the crack of a baton to make sure you stay inside and be sure to 'be safe'.

    I have watched my black friends not suffer at the hands of the police. But at the hands of democrats who do nothing to help other than make it harder to get a job. My black friends who got jobs are doing *wildly* better than those around them. Those who stay together and take care of their families do *wildly* better than those around them. Those who stay on the dole and play 'get my money from the government' live in shitty housing with cinderblocks for walls.

    One sheriff in Illinois put it best 'the best disinfectant for crime is jobs'. Jobs. We need jobs. Not made up ones that just steal money from one group and give it to another. Jobs that build things make things create things.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:09PM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday June 28 2020, @06:09PM (#1013756) Journal

      So you're on board with me then, that pretty much everyone making under seven figures regardless of skin tone has a common enemy, this being the political/moneyed class? :)

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 28 2020, @07:24PM (#1013798)

        Not particularly my point. I am pointing my fingers at the DNC. They never stopped segmenting and oppressing people. The RNC is basically a do nothing and a boogie man for the DNC to keep their people in line.

        Is the DNC beholden to large corps. Absolutely. Is Marxisim the answer. Well I can point to Russia, Germany, Cuba, Venezuela, large swaths of China and pretty resoundingly say no. Down that path leads to you not being pure enough for the party. They *will* purge you.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday June 29 2020, @01:42AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday June 29 2020, @01:42AM (#1013927) Journal

          I've been saying for years on this very site that the DNC is essentially made of Republicans who don't quite hate gays as hard as the GOP. You really ought to read my post history before assuming what I think. I will grant that is a *lot* of reading, but try not to come into this with assumptions that don't hold up, okay? It's a barrier to communication.

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