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DNA Databases in the U.S. and China Are Tools of Racial Oppression
Two major world powers, the United States and China, have both collected an enormous number of DNA samples from their citizens, the premise being that these samples will help solve crimes that might have otherwise gone unsolved. While DNA evidence can often be crucial when it comes to determining who committed a crime, researchers argue these DNA databases also pose a major threat to human rights.
In the U.S., the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has a DNA database called the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) that currently contains over 14 million DNA profiles. This database has a disproportionately high number of profiles of black men, because black Americans are arrested five times as much as white Americans. You don't even have to be convicted of a crime for law enforcement to take and store your DNA; you simply have to have been arrested as a suspect.
[...] As for China, a report that was published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in mid-June claims that China is operating the "world's largest police-run DNA database" as part of its powerful surveillance state. Chinese authorities have collected DNA samples from possibly as many as 70 million men since 2017, and the total database is believed to contain as many as 140 million profiles. The country hopes to collect DNA from all of its male citizens, as it argues men are most likely to commit crimes.
DNA is reportedly often collected during what are represented as free physicals, and it's also being collected from children at schools. There are reports of Chinese citizens being threatened with punishment by government officials if they refuse to give a DNA sample. Much of the DNA that's been collected has been from Uighur Muslims that have been oppressed by the Chinese government and infamously forced into concentration camps in the Xinjiang province.
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(Score: -1, Troll) by VLM on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:19PM (20 children)
Isn't it anti-science to disbelieve in evolution?
Try an inductive proof of oppression. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that we actually do punish black offenders more intensively than whites for the same crime. And in some parts of the country we've been doing that since the (first, so far) civil war, many generations. That should have a HUGE impact on behavior today if the cops historically gunned down the bottom dwellers of only one race for generations.
If we unjustly kill more black murderers than white murderers, for many generations, then murderers should be pretty well bred out of the black population, so you'd expect that black areas like Chicago would have negligible to zero levels levels of murder, whereas the unoppressed whites of rural WV would have staggeringly higher (in comparison) murder rates. I mean, yeah, you'll be told that poverty breeds crime and the crackers in WV are much poorer than the blacks in Chicago are, on average, so in this inductive proof rural WV must be an absolute war zone compared to safe Chicago, but OK lets just check the results.
So we'll pull up the crime stats, and the per capita murder rate for the entire city of Chicago not just the black parts, is five times the murder rate of the dirt poor crackers living in WV. Chicago is maybe one third black, so the black on black murder rate might be three times the five or about 15 times higher than the white on white murder rate. Which seems near-ish to actual FBI national crime stats.
Huh. I guess the inductive proof backfired and clearly we're not oppressing black criminals hard enough to evolve their behavior to a civilized level, or at least to raise them to the civilization level of rural WV.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:50PM
The genetic predisposition to sociopathy is believed to be stress driven and sociopaths do not display a monogamous mating strategy. Female sexual availability when a percentage of the male population is removed reinforces this. Trumps First Step Act which would reduce black male incarceration for minor crimes may go some way to ensuring stable black families (opposite to BLM "demands") and ending the vicious circle.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:06PM (13 children)
The whole of Australia was colonized by criminals. If crime was hereditary, as you seem to infer, then shouldn't criminality in Australia be, if not the norm, at least measurebly higher, statistically ?
And yet, it is not.
And one more thing: Racists always seem to bring out the "blacks are X times more numerous in jail than whites, while being only Y percent of the population" argument. They seem to have a hard time understanding the "correlation is not causation" concept.
Just one more proof of your average racist's intellectual inferiority.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:23PM
Poor analogy. Immigration continued into Australia for white people after it stopped being a destination for criminals, so you can't say it was a static population of criminals. American blacks, on the other hand, are essentially the same population as always.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:40PM (2 children)
I have a simple question for you. In the British Empire in the 18th to mid 19th century, what do you think the penalty was for most of any significant crime? I assume you can get the answer there right: death. So then what does that tell us about the convicts sent to Australia? Most people exiled were sent for generally minor crimes or were political prisoners. Those that were sent their for more severe crimes were generally sentenced to life, meaning they general did not procreate. It's not like Australia was a freezone for criminals - most were used as slaves. Consequently, Australia was primarily settled by lawful settlers and people convicted for some pretty minor things. There's a really neat page that gives you the historical records here [convictrecords.com.au]. Really fun to go through!
And no correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but all causal acts will of course also yield a correlation. Blacks, by most of every single possible measurement, simply engage in much more crime - and vastly more if we restrict it to only violent crime. And consequently end up in prison much more often. You'll even find in developed black majority nations, they also see crazy high crime rates. *shrug* It is what it is. Doesn't mean blacks don't deserve to live and breed as much as the next man, but it's only by accepting reality that one can ever hope to improve it. All this flailing and identity politics stuff just ultimately means nothing gets done and things only get worse. Pretty good show if you're after a dystopia, not so much if you'd like a better society for all people.
As an aside, I'd recommend reading this [wikipedia.org] interesting article on Wikipedia.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:36PM (1 child)
You're trying to use facts an reason against someone's religious beliefs. Its not going to work.
The best way to deal with irrational beliefs is to trigger them so they look like lunatics when they're in a violent religious frenzy. Like when I get called a skin suit and a nazi over some common sense obvious reality, that kind of language is making someone look bad, not me, LOL.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @06:17PM
Heh. What you say applies, and it's funny that you don't see that your own bigotry is akin religious beliefs.
Oh yes definitely not you. Definitely. (lol!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:52PM (3 children)
Also, I'm curious about something. A couple of days ago in France there was a group of 5 "people" who wanted to board a bus that had a digital display indicating that masks were required. The driver would not let them board the bus without having masks on. So they beat him to death. The media reports [bbc.com] are leaving out any information on the suspects. France is about 85% European/white, 10% North African, 3.5% black, and 1.5% Asian. Who do you think did it? Since we know nothing, would you assume it's 85% likely to be a group of French "people"?
If you're being at all honest, you know exactly who did this. And it's so incredibly biased towards this group that the absurdly low numerical odds (based on demographics) don't even meaningfully change the odds. I think reality is on sort of a horse shoe. In the middle is reality. On one end you have genuine racists who see everything in an unrealistic fashion and think group [x] is inherently irredeemably awful. On the other end you have people who see everything in an unrealistic fashion and think group [x] is inherently absolutely fine with any issues solely being the fault of anything and everybody besides the group themselves. Both extremes are equally stupid and equally regressive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @06:37PM (2 children)
Well, judging by the BBC article, in this case it wasn't the usual suspects. A-rabs don't usually take dogs with them when they go out.
Le Figaro quotes the police, that the suspects are the classic drunken hobo trash European cities had, even before mass immigration: https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/bayonne-un-chauffeur-de-bus-en-etat-de-mort-cerebrale-apres-une-agression-20200706 [lefigaro.fr]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @07:58PM
Were they wearing red baseball caps with some motto embroidered on them?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @03:53PM
I'm sure within a few days their identities will be revealed. Beating a bus driver to death for telling you to wear a mask is something the vast majority of people are simply incapable of. It makes just no sense whatsoever. This is trademark 3.5%.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:52PM
Psychopathy is a hereditary [nih.gov] neurological condition. [newatlas.com] Sociopathy (PCL-R factor 2 [wikipedia.org]) is more complex. [thetech.org] It's not a nature Vs. nurture argument but an interaction of both. in-utero testosterone exposure [abc.net.au] will typically be higher when one parent has a high-conflict personality and during puberty [sciencedirect.com] based on environment.
To summarize a massive area of research: traits of criminality [jamanetwork.com] are often part hereditary and part environmental. [cambridge.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:53PM (2 children)
SoylentNews is filled with racist alt-righters.
Aristarchus was right all along. Hell, even TMB is jumping on the "fact" based racist bandwagon. So much anger about the fall of white hegemony, never in my life would I have thought it was so bad.
"Treat other people with respect."
"FUCK YOU SJW CUCK BOY!"
What a bunch of assholes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @06:16PM (1 child)
"facts are racist"
The dynamics of criminality are well understood by everyone except criminals. What does that say about the leftists who (as recent events attest) want only to gain power by exploiting perpetuation of the cycle? Sit this one out you moron!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:18AM
When the facts are generated from systemic racism well yes, yes they are!
You're a racist twat, go suck some more Trump mushroom penis you degenerate douche bag.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @07:55PM
This is why we cain't have no white superemeracy! White racists are just too stupid!
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:48PM
Ok racist fuckhead, time to crawl back into the sewer.
The alt-righters like you have taken on a new tactic of re-hiding your racism and working double time on radicalization. Only the most shallow logic is used by you deplorables to justify your prejudice with context being a word you reserve for excusing Trump's white supremacist garbage.
Truly we are in the worst timeline, I guess November will show us whether the Nazis come back or go into hiding for another 50 years.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @07:16PM (1 child)
Great! So have you just proven that there is no "murderer" gene? Because if there was one, it would have been bred out by now, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:52PM
No. [truecrimeforensics.com]
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:21PM (1 child)
Let me follow your reasoning here.
If a murder was more often punished by death in population A than population B, then you would expect after a significant period of time that population A would have less murder.
Population A has more murder. Therefore...the original premise holds, and it must be that murder isn't actually punished more in population A?
What? That's not how induction works.
Usually one uses this device when the idea lacks direct evidence. There's plenty of evidence that we do this, though. Even if your inductive argument was logically consistent, it would still be weaker than the evidence.
What your inductive thought experiment really proves is that unjust killings by the police do not improve crime rates, and may actually make them worse.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 08 2020, @01:08AM
He's not arguing in good faith. VLM is one of the single worst sociopaths we have on the site. There is not a functioning human in there under the skin suit. Keep doing what you're doing here, but understand it's not for VLM's benefit; he's never, ever going to change, not in this lifetime at least. Rather, it's for anyone who has the misfortune of stepping in his effluent.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...