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The SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 pandemic has been with us for over six months. A recent check of https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ reveals just over 13 million cases, with over a half million deaths, and 4.9 million of which are listed as active. On a positive note, 7.6 million are listed as recovered.
Unfortunately, recovered does not necessarily mean being back to the same shape someone was in pre-infection (see below).
Statistically, there are bound to be some Soylentils who have been infected (or had friends or family members who were).
I'd like to offer an opportunity for us to pull together and share our collective experiences. If you've made it through, telling others of how it went can be helpful both for the one who shares, and also for those who were recently diagnosed. Fears, doubts, and worries act to drain energy better directed to recovery.
NB: Please be mindful that "the internet never forgets". I encourage all who respond to make use of posting anonymously.
With that caution, what has been your experience? How long between time of infection and onset of symptoms? How bad was it? How are things now? What do you know now that you wish you knew earlier? What did you hear about earlier but didn't realize they meant that?
Penultimately, I realize words are inadequate, but I sincerely wish and hope that all can be spared from this malady, and those who have been afflicted may have a speedy and full recovery.
Unfortunately, it looks like that may not be as likely as we would all hope and wish for...
Ars Technica has results of an analysis of COVID-19 victims' recovery. Be aware it was from a relatively small sample of patients who had been infected and then deemed to be recovered. Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist:
As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated in many countries, an ever-growing group of people is being shifted from the "infected" to the "recovered" category. But are they truly recovered? A lot of anecdotal reports have indicated that many of those with severe infections are experiencing a difficult recovery, with lingering symptoms, some of which remain debilitating. Now, there's a small study out of Italy in which a group of infected people was tracked for an average of 60 days after their infection was discovered. And the study confirms that symptoms remain long after there's no detectable virus.
[...] Roughly 60 days later, the researchers followed up with an assessment of these patients. Two months after there was no detectable virus, only 13 percent of the study group was free of any COVID-19 symptoms. By contrast, a bit over half still had at least three symptoms typical of the disease.
The most common symptom was fatigue, followed by difficulty breathing, joint pain, and chest pain. Over 10 percent were still coughing, and similar numbers hadn't seen their sense of smell return. A large range of other symptoms were also present.
Journal Reference:
Angelo Carfì, Roberto Bernabei, Francesco Landi. Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19 [open], JAMA (DOI: 10.1001/jama.2020.12603)
(Score: 1, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Monday July 13 2020, @11:31PM (55 children)
In the Rockies, in Free America, nobody we know has contracted the disease spread by the great Rat-Spirit, the giant of Sumatra. People walk about at ease, with no masks. Children swim and play in the sun.
The message to those in Occupied Territory is: The chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall. John has a long moustache. John has a long moustache.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:33AM (29 children)
Remember that if enough do "freedom exposure", then your hospitals will be backed up such that if you get some random illness, you may be SOL.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:48AM (23 children)
Hospitals probably currently hurt more people than they save anyway, that means people are dying less often due to medical error.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html [cnbc.com]
If you include bad public health advice like the food pyramid and narrow spectrum suncreen the healthcare industry is likely the biggest threat to Americans health by multiple orders of magnitude. Covid doesn't even register.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:07AM (13 children)
which organisations have pushed narrow spectrum sun screen? Mayo Clinic [mayoclinic.org] doesn't..
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:17AM (12 children)
All of them until 2010 or so. Blocking UVA is a new thing, u til recently "wear sunscreen" amount to advice that you should prevent your bodies way of telling you to get out of the sun (sunburn) while doing nothing to block the UVA that causes skin cancer. That's why now there is a skin cancer epidemic, especially melanoma in office workers who don't get a tan (but not outdoor workers).
(Score: 3, Insightful) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:33AM (11 children)
wow.
Australia has been pushing brad spectrum since at least 1983 [standards.govt.nz]
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:40AM (10 children)
Couldn't get the link to work. But it was definitely not common until recently: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12839580/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:46AM (9 children)
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:01AM (8 children)
Not seeing anything about broad spectrum in 1983.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:31AM (7 children)
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:39AM (5 children)
Not even sure where that text is coming from but anyway it still doesn't say anything about how common broad spectrum sunblock was in Australia in 1983. I'd be surprised if it was common since the research on the UVA problem really only came out 2000-2010.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:08AM (4 children)
was from
https://infostore.saiglobal.com/preview/293355528983.pdf?sku=117193_SAIG_AS_AS_245202 [saiglobal.com]
Also see this [saiglobal.com]
Australia was regulating use of broad spectrum sunscreen as far back as 1983, and has been tightening the definition ever since.
How common? Australia's skin cancer rates [wikipedia.org] would suggest "still not common enough"..
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:32AM (3 children)
I still haven't seen that they were worried about UVA in 1983 from your sources. But it's not like it was unknown, just people thought that was a "bonus". Now we know blocking only UVB is a big net negative because it removes the natural signal to limit sun exposure without offering protection against cancer. If you bought sunscreen before 2010 or so you were harmed by this.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:23AM (2 children)
same standard linked above
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:47AM (1 child)
That isn't from 1983...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:50PM
Yes, it references something from 1983, but laws regularly do that. Especially when they're being modified in one fashion or another, it doesn't say anything about what the standards were back then. You'd have to read the referenced item.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:24PM
Off topic, but love your sig. I am excited for the final book in the series to finally come out in August!
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:56AM (3 children)
From the linked:
Meanwhile, in about 4 months, the number of deaths by COVID in US, the number of deaths is 138,247 and the epidemic's strength is increasing [worldometers.info].
If Florida were a country, it would rank fourth in the world for the most new cases in a day [reuters.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:00AM (2 children)
Yep, how many of those were people who got unnecessarily put on a ventilator? Half?
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:13AM (1 child)
For a bit of extra fun, before joining the covid party, do yourself a service an get a "Don't put me on a ventilator" tattoo on your chest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:42AM
If you really want to be protected we already know it is vitamin c, a pulse oximeter, tobacco smoke and hyperbaric chambers (in that order of extremity). I have zero fear at all of this virus.
But no one is actually taking this seriously anywhere in the world, just a bunch of people trying to profit politically or financially from it and those safe and effective approaches don't suit their goals.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Opportunist on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:59AM (4 children)
Yeah, trust your statistician: In first world countries, most people die in hospitals.
Also in the news, if you have to drive, drive far away, most traffic accidents a person has happen withing 30 miles of the person't home.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:46AM
Fortunately, the bankers are solving that second one by taking away as many homes as possible just as soon as the government lets them. With no home, the accident rates will drop dramatically.
Now, if we could just get all the people driving Toyotas off the road we might have a year with no car crashes.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:03PM (2 children)
Also in the news, the more firemen present, the worse the fire.
Defund the fire department!1!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Tokolosh on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:10PM (1 child)
Fewer laws, fewer criminals.
Fewer police, fewer criminals.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:15PM
Not quite, you were doing fine until you equated fewer police with fewer criminals. There's no meaningful correlation there, more police likely means more people caught breaking the law, it doesn't mean that there's more people breaking the law. Breaking the law is what makes a person a criminal, not being caught.
It's the same BS as the folks saying that just because we haven't diagnosed covid-19 in people that they don't have it. If they haven't been tested, then we don't really know, it doesn't mean they haven't got it. And a bunch of people had to be diagnosed based only on symptoms as getting tested wasn't an option.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:15AM (1 child)
He fully subscribes to the "if you don't test, you don't get any positive cases" philosophy. There's no problem the sticking your head in the sand can't fix.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:00AM
If you never take a pregnancy test you'll never get pregnant.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:12PM (1 child)
The press where I live is going INSANE because case numbers are climbing and we all need to virtue signal our holiness by wearing the holy mask of infinite protection while we window shop at the mall for 8 hours every day (gotta keep profits up!)
What they carefully don't report is death and ICU use are way down far more than half the peak value (which was never very high) and test numbers are up 100x.
In the old days they only tested 1K people per day, all whom were already in the hospital with symptoms, of which about 10% died, and sometimes they "only" got 100 positives and it looks like the fatality rate is about 10% and like 10-20 people died every day.
Now they test 10K people, get 1K positives, and less than 3 people die per day. It seems the fatality rate is a small fraction of one percent of those infected.
With a side dish of a couple months worth of "you sinners just wait in two weeks there will be a spike". Yeah sure predict the end of the world every week and finally they might get it right, but they're turning into laugh stock now.
Of course these are the same propaganda people pushing Trump Derrangement Syndrome and Muh Russia and Hillary has 99% chance to win. Journalists are scum.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:45PM
You should fix your spelling of "derangement" in order to avoid giving people an easy attack on your points.
Journalists working for the MSM are scum, but they have to eat too. Luckily there are still instances of real journalism happening.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:34PM
No, not enough population density here. Very low risk.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:50AM (3 children)
You must actually be a shill, actively promoting unsafe behavior while all the states that stayed open are locking down due to explosions in infection rates.
Top kek you piece of shit, but what else should be expected from a username like yours?
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:02AM
I'm being de-platformed! CAnCeL CulTuRe StAliNisT PhOEnIX!!
Can't say I'm surprised, so far I've noticed that only massive hypocrites whinge on about "cancel culture" because they are losing their privileged status. Probably even money P666 worked on the Trump campaign as an intern hoping to re-energize his failed political career.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:24PM (1 child)
While you're slinking about in fear, I have been fishing in the beautiful Missouri Brakes, listening to the wind soughing in the pines and cottonwoods. Mule deer pause to watch me cast. Not another human for miles and miles. On the horizon the sky plays between slate and rose as the sun sinks behind the mountains.
That is the report from Free America.
Enjoy your desperate fear of coronavirus!
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:03PM
Kekekek
Best evidence ever you're a Russian asshole trying to kill Americans and destroy our political system. Lines up perfectly with your years of "I'm a real liberal but I just haaaate Democrsts. Let me now subtly side with rightwing ideology.
Possibly just another boomy boomer that can't handle finding out about reality after 40+ years of ignorance. At least you're doing outdoor activities and not hosting BBQs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:31AM (3 children)
I didn't realize Park Slope was in the Rockies.
I guess you learn something new every day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:25AM (1 child)
Is that some kind of racist dogwhistle? Slopeheads? You don't like Chinese?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:13AM
Nope. Nothing to do with any of that.
I guess you just haven't been paying attention.
So sad for you.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:19PM
On vacation.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:31AM (10 children)
I am truly saddened that you have become this stupid. There is nothing representing reality in what you stated.
Your words are akin to Flat Earthers screaming that the Earth is a flat. I cannot find any other way to describe a deliberate denial of reality, or a cynical disbelief of others dying.
You can try to deny that Covid-19 exists, but Covid-19 doesn't care about your belief. I'm sure any evidence or article I present would be meaningless to you, since it would be discounted as political, or part of a conspiracy against America.
Why do you really sound like a Flat Earther? They too must have wild conspiracies where information is oppressed. All of the doctors and nurses on video are liars and opposition to you.
Truly sad. Not in that Trump insult way. I'm truly sad that you have become this way. I wish you and your family well, and I pray that they stay safe. Prayer is all I can do for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:30PM
You can try to deny that Covid-19 exists,
Currently, I am focused on trying to believe that America doesn't exist.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:28PM (8 children)
I did not deny that the coronavirus exists. I reported the fact that nobody I know, and nobody they know, has contracted it. Not in New York City, not in the West. Nobody.
Now I am on vacation, spending every blessed day mask-free (along with everyone else here), floating in the creek, hiking the Judiths, swimming, fishing, and taking deep draughts of natural beauty.
TFA asked the status of Soylentils, and that is mine.
You should see a therapist about your penchant for projecting your own hatreds and neuroses onto others.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:16PM (1 child)
Its not rabies. Seems the fatality rate is maybe half a percent. Not that we should ignore it, (population of the USA) times half a percent = (way the heck too many).
The asymptomatic rate is absolutely huge and odds are pretty good you know someone who felt tired for two days or coughed a couple times and they would test positive for antibodies. Given how mild the symptoms can be, may be you or I have already caught it and beaten it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:52PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ [worldometers.info]
You can likely get your 0.5% if you take total infections and total deaths, but that means you are counting everyone that has the disease currently as "not going to die from it." If you compare recovered from it against died from it you apparently get 1.4% as of May or whenever the source said.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:09AM (5 children)
No hatred, no mental issues. Just sadness from what you have become. I meant that, and I meant my prayers and well wishing for your family.
You seem to like anectdotal evidence a lot, and quite frankly, you're respoinsible for the misunderstandings here. Your statements are odd, difficult to parse or understand, and seemingly very judgemental about "occupied terroritory" and "free america".
I'm so glad that are FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM PEOPLE, to be practicing social distancing. You don't need a mask if everybody is at least 4 miles away from you, I agree with that. Not everybody is as fortunate as you are, to be that safe, and to be well enough to treat this as a vacation and be so dismissive about the fate of others.
What does "The Chair is against the wall" mean? Who is John? Where is occupied terroritory again, and why do you refer to it with an inflammatory and divisive name suggesting you think freedoms are curtailed?
Are the people walking about with ease doing so because social distancing is greater than 100 ft? Or is because they simply don't care and are taking advantage of the fact it has not made it there yet?
Is the great Rat-spirit a reference to China, and laying blame on them?
You seem to have totally fucking lost it. Which is why I expressed sadness and prayers for you. I'm sure I wasn't the only one going WTF when I read it.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:31AM (4 children)
You definitely weren't the only one going WTF. I have no idea what happened to this guy but he's become a horrible demonic parody of himself over the last 2-3 months by my estimation. Or maybe someone pointed out how full of shit he is one too many times and he decided to drop the pretense of being otherwise, I don't know.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:07PM (1 child)
You people are poorly read and hysterical. The Rat-Spirit is from "Rowbsy Woof and the Fairy Wogdog" from Watership Down, which I am re-reading for leisure. It is not a geo-political reference.
"The chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall. John has a long moustache, John has a long moustache" is a reference to Red Dawn, which my kids were watching a couple days ago. After months of lockdown in New York City, fishing in the mountains and walking around mask-free among others who are living normally feels almost giddy; I am back in America again while the rest of you choose to stay imprisoned. Poor you.
I took my son out to a reservoir to fish yesterday and he caught perch after perch. They were fingerlings we threw back, but he was in heaven. That is what life is like; cowering in your apartment is not life.
TFS, if you'll recall, asked how Soylentils are doing. That's how my family is doing.
Enjoy curdling in your spite, jealousy, self-loathing, and fear.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:50AM
Aaaaahahahahaha! Spite, jealousy, self-loathing, and fear? Ahh, my Goddess...you really believe that don't you? Buddy, I do *not* want to be you in a few decades (or who knows, maybe less?) when what I will charitably call your soul parts ways with your body.
You're making it abundantly clear that you either never had any light in you to begin with, or you willingly threw it away into the hands of whatever Moloch-idol you've decided to hitch your wagon to, for what purpose and what imagined advantages I can only begin to guess at. You are acting precisely the opposite of how you tell me your God-figure commands you to. "Wide is the path leading to destruction" indeed.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:49PM (1 child)
"Or maybe someone pointed out how full of shit he is"
That was me. I noticed his conflicting statements along with the general disconnect from supposedly having worked on Democratic campaigns to being a near-supporter of Trump. His post here is definitely the farthest he's ventured out into crazy angry boomer territory complete with derogatory "real freedom MURRICA you cowards!"
You've lectured me before about trying to be more rational and resonable instead of just flaming the fuck out of these boomers, but I'm just so sick of the hypocrisy and discussions that go nowhere with fake news and bad faith arguments. His ranting about "cancel culture" was pretty much the last straw, as if that is more worthy of outrage than the BLM topics that have been denigrated around here for YEARS by boomy assholes.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:38AM
Yeah, I'm with you on this...we've watched ol' Devilbird throw his humanity into the hands of his own chosen Moloch-idol for heaven alone knows what possible advantage, in real time. I'm so sick of seeing people choose the path of evil willingly like this. What does he think he stands to gain?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:57PM (5 children)
> nobody we know has contracted the disease
Why are you valuing rough anecdotal evidence so highly?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday July 14 2020, @07:08PM (4 children)
TFA didn't ask for Soylentils to regurgitate statistics, but to report on how we personally are doing. That is the definition of anecdotal evidence. Thus asked, I answered.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @10:41PM (2 children)
KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK
Anecdotal would be reporting your experience, not throwing in "bunch of coward un-American pussies worried about COVID! kekekekek"
I figured you for a shill or maybe just out of touch old fart, never thought I'd start despising you.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:29PM (1 child)
Somehow I picture you as the cat [duckduckgo.com] in Dune, except the main tube in the setup conducts diarrhea from your fundament to your mouth.
Enjoy curdling in your hatred of normal people.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:54PM
You're not normal as your freedumb post illustrates very well. Stop buying into stupid anti-science propaganda and I'll stop giving you shit for it.
Also I don't hate you, I just hate the narrative you support. You are the one who has a problem with your need to look down upon people trying to follow medical advice during a pandemic. The southern states that refused to believe the virus was real or worrisome are now being hammered to shit, and here you are promoting the same exact level of stupidity and hiding behind the label of normal people.
You're a sad person, or a lame death loving shill. Who can say these days?
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:59PM
Fair point. I was reacting to some of the other stuff floating around...