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The SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19 pandemic has been with us for over six months. A recent check of https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ reveals just over 13 million cases, with over a half million deaths, and 4.9 million of which are listed as active. On a positive note, 7.6 million are listed as recovered.
Unfortunately, recovered does not necessarily mean being back to the same shape someone was in pre-infection (see below).
Statistically, there are bound to be some Soylentils who have been infected (or had friends or family members who were).
I'd like to offer an opportunity for us to pull together and share our collective experiences. If you've made it through, telling others of how it went can be helpful both for the one who shares, and also for those who were recently diagnosed. Fears, doubts, and worries act to drain energy better directed to recovery.
NB: Please be mindful that "the internet never forgets". I encourage all who respond to make use of posting anonymously.
With that caution, what has been your experience? How long between time of infection and onset of symptoms? How bad was it? How are things now? What do you know now that you wish you knew earlier? What did you hear about earlier but didn't realize they meant that?
Penultimately, I realize words are inadequate, but I sincerely wish and hope that all can be spared from this malady, and those who have been afflicted may have a speedy and full recovery.
Unfortunately, it looks like that may not be as likely as we would all hope and wish for...
Ars Technica has results of an analysis of COVID-19 victims' recovery. Be aware it was from a relatively small sample of patients who had been infected and then deemed to be recovered. Two months after infection, COVID-19 symptoms persist:
As the COVID-19 pandemic continues unabated in many countries, an ever-growing group of people is being shifted from the "infected" to the "recovered" category. But are they truly recovered? A lot of anecdotal reports have indicated that many of those with severe infections are experiencing a difficult recovery, with lingering symptoms, some of which remain debilitating. Now, there's a small study out of Italy in which a group of infected people was tracked for an average of 60 days after their infection was discovered. And the study confirms that symptoms remain long after there's no detectable virus.
[...] Roughly 60 days later, the researchers followed up with an assessment of these patients. Two months after there was no detectable virus, only 13 percent of the study group was free of any COVID-19 symptoms. By contrast, a bit over half still had at least three symptoms typical of the disease.
The most common symptom was fatigue, followed by difficulty breathing, joint pain, and chest pain. Over 10 percent were still coughing, and similar numbers hadn't seen their sense of smell return. A large range of other symptoms were also present.
Journal Reference:
Angelo Carfì, Roberto Bernabei, Francesco Landi. Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19 [open], JAMA (DOI: 10.1001/jama.2020.12603)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday July 14 2020, @01:49AM (16 children)
When Canada tried it, >25% who were working when it started were not working when it got killed. It's not a number the economy could absorb without a lot of pain.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @02:25AM (2 children)
[citation needed]
(Score: 2) by Nuke on Tuesday July 14 2020, @12:06PM
Citation needed for what? His post content or his sig?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:24AM
Fuck, dude, we ran that story on this site. Within the past year. Do something for yourself for a change.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:10AM (2 children)
When did Canada implement universal basic income?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:26AM (1 child)
Canada has experimented multiple times with things that a layman would call a "UBI" but are technically not. There are problems with drawing conclusions from both due to suppression of the mincome final report and the Ontario qualification requirements and reporting under the new administration.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:40PM
Not to mention a short term limitrd study is not conclusive. COVID lockdowns are so far the best experiment yet on the concept.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:46AM (2 children)
While not a raging success like some would have you believe, you don't have to make up lies about it either. The only way to get close to the 25 percent figure you cited, is if you count the people who enrolled full time in post-secondary education, those that reached retirement age, those who reduced to part-time hours in dual income homes, and those that were unemployed at any time even if employed at the end. And you also have to count those that began working full time during the program, were already in post-secondary education, or completed post-secondary education.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:25AM (1 child)
It's not a lie, dipshit. Those are from official Canadian numbers. We ran a story on it last year even.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:55AM
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Tuesday July 14 2020, @06:56AM (1 child)
We ARE already supporting about 25% of the population. Because if I apply the same standards as you do and include everyone who is in an education project or retiring, we are easily hitting those numbers.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:28AM
Population != workforce. You're confusing the concepts. I'm going to assume it's inadvertent and not rhetorical bullshittery. We can not have 25% of the people who are working at this moment just stop working.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:44PM (2 children)
Citations are never provided by TMB after he posts his inane arguments. Hell just getting him to admit reality when someone else provides a counter citation is near impossible. He is one of those admitting-wrong-is-weak manly men.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:32AM (1 child)
It's a story that we ran on this site. On the front page. Last year. Is your brain really so full of bullshit that you can't remember what happened last year or did you actively block the memory out because it interfered with your preferred idea of reality?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:33PM
So then it should be easy to link to.
Now I get the feeling you are running a sock puppet account named Barbara Hudson.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @11:54PM (1 child)
What? That's utterly false.
Here, have a citation: https://newatlas.com/good-thinking/canada-basic-income-experiment-ontario-report-results/ [newatlas.com]
So, 8-9% stopped working, 8-9% went back to school, the rest of the ~70% who were working pre-UBI kept working.
That's not >25%. For persons with impairment (disease, mental issues, addiction), an 8-9% rate of getting fired over 16 months is not unusual.
Here's a perspective you should read. I hope you aren't too ossified to recognize when points are valid: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/08/13/conservatives-end-basic-income-program-in-ontario-afraid-to-be-proved-wrong/ [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:29AM
"Once basic income payments commenced" != "by the end of the program". Read more carefully and try again.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.